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(2014-01-15, 16:14)davidh2k Wrote: [ -> ]Hello forum,
I want to replace my raspberry pi with a NUC, too. Therefore I have some questions.

(2014-01-14, 20:00)tfouto Wrote: [ -> ]
(2014-01-14, 19:46)Jönke Wrote: [ -> ]If i want "perfect" 23,976 playback is there any difference with

INTEL NUC I3 4010U HASWELL with Intel HD Graphics 4400
vs
INTEL NUC I5 4250U HASWELL with Intel HD Graphics 5000

Nope. Both handle perfectly 23.976 playback.

How about the new Celeron NUC with improved GPU, the DN2820FYK with Intel Celeron N2820 ? Are there any information yet if it can handle it?

(2014-01-15, 06:54)trsqr Wrote: [ -> ]
(2014-01-15, 05:15)voip-ninja Wrote: [ -> ]There must be some drawback to software decoding otherwise no one would use hardware decoding.

Well, it uses your CPU and leaves the GPU pretty much unused, even if the GPU is purpose built HW for that kind of tasks. Higher CPU usage means higher power consumption and in case your CPU is not powerful enough it will not be able to handle the decoding. The i3 and i5 models should be fine though.

What about the Celeron version (which is about 150 € cheaper than the i3. Do you think it can handle VC1 decoding in software?

Greetings
David

Yes for both...
Thank you tfouto, do you know which IGP is embedded in the new celeron? That it now can handle 23,976 Playback?

(2014-01-14, 23:32)john.cord Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.whitebream.nl/nuc_usb

Did Intel remove these ports on the late 2013 editions too? Or did they leave them untouched so that you only need to solder the adapter to the board instead of soldering around the whole board?

Greetings
David
(2014-01-15, 11:19)lmyllari Wrote: [ -> ]
(2014-01-15, 07:54)voip-ninja Wrote: [ -> ]Can software do perfect 23.976 like the gpu can? If so why even get haswell, why not just get ivy bridge?
slightly simplified: It doesn't matter how the framebuffer contents got there (hw/sw decoded video, opengl rendering, software rendering). Haswell can output the framebuffer contents to HDMI (or DP or whatever) at exactly the right rate for standard video modes. Ivy bridge and earlier can not set the output frequency accurately.

Thanks for the detailed explanation, I understand it now.
(2014-01-15, 16:27)davidh2k Wrote: [ -> ]Thank you tfouto, do you know which IGP is embedded in the new celeron? That it now can handle 23,976 Playback?

(2014-01-14, 23:32)john.cord Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.whitebream.nl/nuc_usb

Did Intel remove these ports on the late 2013 editions too? Or did they leave them untouched so that you only need to solder the adapter to the board instead of soldering around the whole board?

Greetings
David

I dont know, but i dont think that only HD4400 and HD500 work with perfect 23.976 playback. All Haswell should work. But maybe can confirm that...
(2014-01-15, 16:19)tfouto Wrote: [ -> ]Yes for both...

Have you seen any material indicating that? The new Celeron NUC is actually more related to an Atom family than the previous Celeron family, so I have certain hesitations on the CPU power of that one until I really see it in action. If you're correct though, that one will make one helluva HTPC.

"Bay Trail leverages the same GPU architecture as Ivy Bridge." says Anandtech here. It remains to be seen if the 23.976 will be perfect, since it is not perfect on Ivy Bridge...

(2014-01-15, 16:27)davidh2k Wrote: [ -> ]Did Intel remove these ports on the late 2013 editions too? Or did they leave them untouched so that you only need to solder the adapter to the board instead of soldering around the whole board?

If you mean Haswell NUCs with late 2013 edition, there's a picture of the board here: http://intelnuc.blogspot.com/2014/01/a-l...e-nuc.html

The USB header is there.
(2014-01-15, 16:37)trsqr Wrote: [ -> ]
(2014-01-15, 16:27)davidh2k Wrote: [ -> ]Did Intel remove these ports on the late 2013 editions too? Or did they leave them untouched so that you only need to solder the adapter to the board instead of soldering around the whole board?

If you mean Haswell NUCs with late 2013 edition, there's a picture of the board here: http://intelnuc.blogspot.com/2014/01/a-l...e-nuc.html

The USB header is there.

Nice. HDMI-CEC is one of the features that is a must-have these days for me, as I've been used to it from the raspberry pi.

For the GPU part, well then lets wait for the first reviews, still a month until I can order one.

Greetings
David
Well, I absolutely don't need CEC on my NUC. I got it on my Pi and my Dreambox, and it can get really annoying when switching between ports. I'm very happy with my Harmony remote!

BTW, a new Openelec nighlty has been released. Does anybody know what the "addon" in the name means? Is it something special or a fix for not working addons in the past builds?

http://xbmcnightlybuilds.com/openelec-ge...ownload-3/
(2014-01-15, 16:37)trsqr Wrote: [ -> ]It remains to be seen if the 23.976 will be perfect, since it is not perfect on Ivy Bridge...
Its not perfect, but every second didn't notice that Bug - http://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthr...?t=1004127

(2014-01-15, 17:34)micoba Wrote: [ -> ]BTW, a new Openelec nighlty has been released. Does anybody know what the "addon" in the name means? Is it something special or a fix for not working addons in the past builds?

http://xbmcnightlybuilds.com/openelec-ge...ownload-3/

No, but thats OE specific, not NUC -> http://www.openelec.tv/forum/20-developm...mitstart=0
(2014-01-15, 16:59)davidh2k Wrote: [ -> ]Nice. HDMI-CEC is one of the features that is a must-have these days for me, as I've been used to it from the raspberry pi.

On the i3 and i5 models there's also something called HTPC header which mentions HDMI CEC as well. I know nothing about that, but Intel's product specification document page 47 talks about it. Note that the header is on the top of the board and not easily accessible if you use the standard NUC case.

Intel Wrote:HDMI Consumer Electronics Control (CEC): standard communication signal from the Mini HDMI connector (http://www.hdmi.org/) - the signal is exposed through this header for third party solutions to monitor/control CEC activity between multiple HDMI devices.
(2014-01-15, 19:54)-DDD- Wrote: [ -> ]No, but thats OE specific, not NUC -> http://www.openelec.tv/forum/20-developm...mitstart=0

I don't quite understand what you mean!? I know that several addons where broken in the last nightly. So I guessed they fixed this. I read several pages in the mentioned thread, but couldn't find an answer (or I didn't see it).
That is an NUC Thread, not an OpenElec, so you have to ask in an OpenElec Thread like http://www.openelec.tv/forum/20-developm...mitstart=0
So, this is your polite way to say I'm offtopic. Ok, I get it :-)
SSD TRIM

Hi. I know it could be some of topic, sorry for this but what about trim on SSD? I've checked it once and it looks like it is disabled. Could someone share thoughts about this? Is trim on NUC should be enabled in autostart? I'm using openelec gotham and SSD is Kingston SSDNow mSATA 120GB SMS200S3.
TRIM is pretty useless on an HTPC.

You would have to run it for many many years to notice any degredation
I noticed you are using OpenElec ... so this is really an OpenElec issue.

A NUC can do Trim, but you have to have the correct operating system installed (e.g. Windows).