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RE: 10-bit h264 (Hi10) Support? - DJ_Izumi - 2012-05-29 04:24

Hrm, using an E-350 based Zotac AD02, I was able to playback 720p 10bit using v12 Alpha 1 in Windows 7. There were a feeeeew dropped frames however, but if things get just a bit more efficent, at least 720p could be workable under nettop/netbook class hardware.


RE: 10-bit h264 (Hi10) Support? - s1l3nc0r - 2012-05-30 11:55

Quote:v12 Alpha 1

what exeact filename was that ?


RE: 10-bit h264 (Hi10) Support? - DJ_Izumi - 2012-05-30 16:48

(2012-05-30 11:55)s1l3nc0r Wrote:  
Quote:v12 Alpha 1

what exeact filename was that ?

http://mirrors.xbmc.org/snapshots/win32/ This snapshot here, from the 'April Cycle' post on the main page.


RE: 10-bit h264 (Hi10) Support? - boingman - 2012-05-31 01:04

(2012-05-27 14:12)jpsdr Wrote:  
(2012-05-06 23:59)elupus Wrote:  For you guys that have subtitle performance issues, would be nice with some feedback on: https://github.com/xbmc/xbmc/pull/942

You have some feeback here ! Wink

Yeah, I tested the latest nightly and noticed the same subtitles problems on said file.
Shine's one month old build, which I am currently using as my main XBMC build, doesn't have that problem.

The performace does seem to be improved though, although only marginally, on one of two tested files which contain scenes with heavy framedropping typesetting.
e.g. the title screen of http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=torrentinfo&tid=297788 has 3 more fps than before. A minimum of 7 fps instead of 4 fps. Big Grin So a small improvement in that regard.


RE: 10-bit h264 (Hi10) Support? - jpsdr - 2012-05-31 10:15

Just a new commit wich solved this issue and high CPU usage. Should be avaible on next nightly.


RE: 10-bit h264 (Hi10) Support? - natethomas - 2012-06-02 07:52

Does anybody in this thread who has currently tested 10-bit support have any interest in updating the wiki some to reflect what is and is not playable?

http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Hi10P_playback


RE: 10-bit h264 (Hi10) Support? - magao - 2012-06-02 10:35

(2012-06-02 07:52)natethomas Wrote:  Does anybody in this thread who has currently tested 10-bit support have any interest in updating the wiki some to reflect what is and is not playable?

http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Hi10P_playback

I added the OpenELEC info a while back - I'll add the OpenELEC 2.0b4 info to it.

What kind of additional info did you want - examples of files and the CPU usage on various machines (and the builds tested on)?

BTW, although not XBMC-related, it looks like Media Player Classic Home Cinema 1.6.2 (r4902 - released 2012-05-26) includes 10-bit playback. The changelog notes an updated ffmpeg, and playback seems fine just using the internal codecs. I think we can finally consider that 10-bit playback is becoming mainstream-ish (i.e. pretty easy for anyone to achieve) so it's obviously time for the anime fansubbers to move onto the Next Big Thing™ (no - please don't take that as a suggestion ...).


RE: 10-bit h264 (Hi10) Support? - Drymex - 2012-06-02 13:30

Is there any precompiled build for Linux with PVR and multi threaded ffmpeg support?
Or an ffmpeg-mt that actually works and can be used to compile XBMC-PVR with --enable-external-ffmpeg?


RE: 10-bit h264 (Hi10) Support? - DJ_Izumi - 2012-06-07 00:19

Looks like 10bit 1080p eps of Yuru Yuri from Coalgirl's uses about 30% of the CPU on my AMD A6-3500. So it's more than capable of handling any 10bit you toss at it. I wonder how well this CPU will do once HEVC becomes popular in a couple of years.


RE: 10-bit h264 (Hi10) Support? - s1l3nc0r - 2012-06-07 09:24

Quote:Looks like 10bit 1080p eps of Yuru Yuri from Coalgirl's uses about 30% of the CPU on my AMD A6-3500. So it's more than capable of handling any 10bit you toss at it. I wonder how well this CPU will do once HEVC becomes popular in a couple of years.

Which exact version of xbmc did you use to play that file ? (filename/link)


RE: 10-bit h264 (Hi10) Support? - DJ_Izumi - 2012-06-07 15:15

(2012-06-07 09:24)s1l3nc0r Wrote:  Which exact version of xbmc did you use to play that file ? (filename/link)

I used the v12 Alpha 2 which is version for the 'May Update' on the front page of xbmc.org


RE: 10-bit h264 (Hi10) Support? - mrpeterparker - 2012-06-08 02:07

Something major changed between May Alpha1.exe and alpha2-nightlies.

My 10-bit videos play perfectly fine on xbmc-12.0-Frodo_alpha1.exe 02-May-2012 10:57 51M

but drop hundreds of frames within a minute of playback on anything newer.

Amd Phenom 1055T 3.4Ghz.
Nvidia 560Ti
8 GB Ram
Win 7 x64


RE: 10-bit h264 (Hi10) Support? - DJ_Izumi - 2012-06-08 22:50

It's this 10bit issue that's disillusioned me to things like the Intel Atom w/Ion or the AMD E-350/E-450. For 8bit h.264 they are all you need, but the moment the encoding nerds find something new you hit a wall. I want XBMC to be part of a machine that 'Plays everything'. I hate little set top boxes that eventually don't play some newfangled format. XBMC at a software level is generally uninhibited (Sure we have 10bit in development, but that woulda been pressed into service MUCH faster if more than anime nerds used it) but the hardware still needs to be capable.

Since h.265/HEVC will come out eventually, all those little Nettop chipsets will hit a wall and force their users to upgrade or avoid newer formats. Any machine I build will be using something more powerful, like AMD Llano or similar, just to ensure a box doesn't need to be upgraded for 5+ years. Maybe it'll cost more, but long term hardware life makes it cheaper overall.


RE: 10-bit h264 (Hi10) Support? - s1l3nc0r - 2012-06-10 15:32

@DJ_Izumi: if I am not mistaken, this is the file you mentioned: http://mirrors.xbmc.org/snapshots/win32/xbmc-12.0-Frodo_alpha2.exe

Do you have any codecs or codec packs installed, or do you have some other settings you think I must know of? (I am running a A6-3500 system as well)

I will give this one a try on my Fate Zero 1080p BluRay rips.


RE: 10-bit h264 (Hi10) Support? - fruitgull - 2012-06-11 13:14

I've not read through this whole thread, but I am right to think that you need the alpha of Xbmc 12 for it to , more or less, work?

I'm running Eden now and must transcode all animes (almost) I download. I have a I3 2.93 ghz (faster than AMD A6-3500 that DJ_Izumi mentioned) in my htpc, so I should be able to decode 10 bit x264.