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RE: 10-bit h264 (Hi10) Support? - willburstyle06 - 2013-04-26

I'm probably going to Just try and reincode the 10 bit files back to 8bit. This guy seems to have a way to do it using Mkvmerge
http://sakurahana.com/forum/tech-department/63623-finally-easy-10-bit-8-bit-conversion-rescue.html


RE: 10-bit h264 (Hi10) Support? - sukanime - 2013-04-26

(2013-04-26, 11:58)uNiversal Wrote: @willburstyle06 @sukanime
I doubt that any of these 10bit files "floating on the web" are from 10bit sources, since this is studio quality sources which only available on studios AND NOT SOLD or RELEASED on media or internet for anyone's consumption (never mind encoding). But hey who cares if ppl perpetuate and enforce pointless things. right? (rhetorical)

My last post here also, as all the information is now provided and further regurgitation wont help anyone.

@sukanime

(2013-04-26, 11:58)sukanime Wrote: ps: there is some group that converting 10bit to 8bit, like DeadFish, etc , but the qualty of video is not as good as the original from fansuber, i can see the diference in my LCD TV (this where i wath anime with xbmc, it's just 32" FullHD TV + my new laptop Asus X201E with Intel Celeron 847).

As above, the original is 8 bit reencoded to 10bit and then reecoded back to 8bit by this "group". nothing wrong with this right? (rhetorical)

uNi

Yup, the source is 8bit.

My english not that good, i hope i can catch what you mean.

if you mean the video quality, it just worse video quality, but because of this is the efect of encoding that will make you loose some quality.
perhap you could understand what i mean if read this http://commiesubs.com/how-to-convert-10bit-to-8bit/

but if you mean, what that group doing, is nothing wrong.
as fansuber release hi10p too, nothing wrong too.

this my last post too, thanks for chat with me, i hope my experience about anime in Hi10p with laptop Asus 1215B with AMD E450 will help someone.
it's my time to try new ubuntu release and enjoying anime with OpenELEC.


RE: 10-bit h264 (Hi10) Support? - jpsdr - 2013-04-26

Source is 8bit but with "high bitrate". Advantage of using 10bit is anime specific only, and for source without noise. In that case, you can encode with "low bitrate" and avoid/reduce banding effect, you'll have with the same bitrate enconding in 8bit.


RE: 10-bit h264 (Hi10) Support? - willburstyle06 - 2013-05-01

I was able to almost get hi10p to work on my AMD E-450 using Lavfilters + KMPlayer with h264 and AV using the lavfilters and just for good measure priority set to high in taskmgr for Kmplayer
https://code.google.com/p/lavfilters/downloads/detail?name=LAVFilters-0.56.2.exe&can=2&q=

It was only choppy once and a while with most scenes playing smoothly. Gives me some hope that Future releases of XBMC might have better Hi10p playback capabilities


RE: 10-bit h264 (Hi10) Support? - mcdull - 2013-05-06

I'm getting very annoyed by more and more Hi10P encoded anime and even some groups started using it for movies for not much good reason.
Disk storage or even BD-R is cheap but upgrading my perfectly running fanless E-350 HDTV + 24/7 P2P client at 65W with all things running (including external devices) is relatively expensive , so I certainly wish they will just stay with 8-bit.

Anyway, I'm thinking about upgrading it to E2-2000 or i3, lower power consumption is better.
Anyone has experience with E2-1800 or E2-2000 with Hi10P? Will that give smooth playback?


RE: 10-bit h264 (Hi10) Support? - AzuRey - 2013-05-12

Does Intel G 2010 (Dual core, 2 core, 2 thread, 2.8 Ghz) can run a 1080p hi10p video?

Thanks Big Grin


RE: 10-bit h264 (Hi10) Support? - AbRASiON - 2013-06-18

I've got some hi10p files which are playing fine in VLC on my measly HTPC but XBMC won't play them (audio, subtitles, no video)
Should I upgrade to an alpha of 13? would it make any difference?


RE: 10-bit h264 (Hi10) Support? - AbRASiON - 2013-06-18

Actually, weird - my desktop PC with a 5850 ATI card can play the files in XBMC but my little HTPC can't play them in XBMC - only VLC

That seems odd to me?


RE: 10-bit h264 (Hi10) Support? - garretn - 2013-06-18

(2013-06-18, 09:38)AbRASiON Wrote: I've got some hi10p files which are playing fine in VLC on my measly HTPC but XBMC won't play them (audio, subtitles, no video)
Should I upgrade to an alpha of 13? would it make any difference?

XBMC stable doesn't support hi10p, but the nightlies do. Vlc has supported it for a while, so thats no surprise.


RE: 10-bit h264 (Hi10) Support? - Ned Scott - 2013-06-18

(2013-06-18, 14:59)garretn Wrote:
(2013-06-18, 09:38)AbRASiON Wrote: I've got some hi10p files which are playing fine in VLC on my measly HTPC but XBMC won't play them (audio, subtitles, no video)
Should I upgrade to an alpha of 13? would it make any difference?

XBMC stable doesn't support hi10p, but the nightlies do. Vlc has supported it for a while, so thats no surprise.

XBMC v12 stable does support Hi10P.


RE: 10-bit h264 (Hi10) Support? - garretn - 2013-06-18

Ah, my bad. My head is stuck in Eden apparently.


RE: 10-bit h264 (Hi10) Support? - AbRASiON - 2013-06-19

(2013-06-18, 21:51)Ned Scott Wrote:
(2013-06-18, 14:59)garretn Wrote:
(2013-06-18, 09:38)AbRASiON Wrote: I've got some hi10p files which are playing fine in VLC on my measly HTPC but XBMC won't play them (audio, subtitles, no video)
Should I upgrade to an alpha of 13? would it make any difference?

XBMC stable doesn't support hi10p, but the nightlies do. Vlc has supported it for a while, so thats no surprise.

XBMC v12 stable does support Hi10P.

But my desktop PC is playing them fine, that's the odd thing? Is it some kind of codec installed on my desktop PC?
I just confirmed version number on my desktop where they work fine.
12.0 - compiled Jan 28, 2013

Desktop is Ati 5850, the little HTPC I think is an nvidia 430 or something.


RE: 10-bit h264 (Hi10) Support? - DanielBuus - 2013-06-19

Anyone experiencing issues with choppiness/frame decimation in Frodo on Ubuntu?

I just tried playing back the first Hi10P encode on said system, and it played back at ~7 fps (Game of Thrones 1080p24 MKV from BluRay).

The CPU usage was negligible, and it's a Q9400 Quad, so there's no bottleneck there.

I tried manually disabling VDPAU and the other acceleration options because I thought it might be the GPU trying to play it back and failing, but it made no difference (an NVIDIA GT 520 usually does the decoding for the system).

Frodo runs in standalone mode, there's no DM installed. Therefore it usually achieves perfect syncing to my plasma at all the different FPSes.

The only time I remember seeing something similar is with some WMV encoded HD content (x-art).


RE: 10-bit h264 (Hi10) Support? - garretn - 2013-06-19

(2013-06-19, 19:50)DanielBuus Wrote: Anyone experiencing issues with choppiness/frame decimation in Frodo on Ubuntu?

I just tried playing back the first Hi10P encode on said system, and it played back at ~7 fps (Game of Thrones 1080p24 MKV from BluRay).

The CPU usage was negligible, and it's a Q9400 Quad, so there's no bottleneck there.

I tried manually disabling VDPAU and the other acceleration options because I thought it might be the GPU trying to play it back and failing, but it made no difference (an NVIDIA GT 520 usually does the decoding for the system).

Frodo runs in standalone mode, there's no DM installed. Therefore it usually achieves perfect syncing to my plasma at all the different FPSes.

The only time I remember seeing something similar is with some WMV encoded HD content (x-art).

Yes, I *believe* there's a patch earlier in this thread that enables MT support. You say it's not CPU, but it probably is to be honest. I know I compiled my own xbmc with the MT patch and it resolved all the playback issues I was having with 1080p 10bit at a high bitrate.


RE: 10-bit h264 (Hi10) Support? - DJ_Izumi - 2013-06-19

(2013-06-19, 19:50)DanielBuus Wrote: Anyone experiencing issues with choppiness/frame decimation in Frodo on Ubuntu?

I just tried playing back the first Hi10P encode on said system, and it played back at ~7 fps (Game of Thrones 1080p24 MKV from BluRay).

The CPU usage was negligible, and it's a Q9400 Quad, so there's no bottleneck there.

I tried manually disabling VDPAU and the other acceleration options because I thought it might be the GPU trying to play it back and failing, but it made no difference (an NVIDIA GT 520 usually does the decoding for the system).

Frodo runs in standalone mode, there's no DM installed. Therefore it usually achieves perfect syncing to my plasma at all the different FPSes.

The only time I remember seeing something similar is with some WMV encoded HD content (x-art).

Frodo only has single thread support for 10bit, so a single core in a Q9400 is likely not enough. Gotham alphas all have multi threaded support though and can use all the cores.