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RE: Intel NUC - HTPC (Haswell Late 2013 edition) - trsqr - 2014-03-17
(2014-03-17, 07:56)jimbo223 Wrote: Hi guys so basically I have a choice between the Intel DN2820FYKH0 (Celeron N2820) or Intel DC3217BY (i3 3217U) not sure which is faster, as they are the same price from different shops. Although if the celeron is almost as good for 10 bucks more I can get ram with it in a bundle deal. Just want to play 1080p movies like mp4, mkv and avi nothing crazy watch shows at 720 and watch the odd youtube video.
The i3 is way faster CPU. However, that particular NUC does not have a fixed Ethernet connection, keep that in mind. You'll need a Thunderbolt-to-Ethernet or USB2 Ethernet adapter, if you need Ethernet. Even if the CPU is faster on the i3 that might not make a difference in your use, since the processing of video is handled by the GPU. Also, the DN2820FYKH is said to handle 23.978p material perfectly, whereas the Ivy Bridge i3 will not do that. Whether that's something you will notice or not, is another thing.
This discussion should actually go into another thread. This thread is about the Haswell i3/i5 NUCs. There's a separate thread for the BayTrail Celeron and Ivy Bridge i3/i5 models.
RE: Intel NUC - HTPC (Haswell Late 2013 edition) - jimbo223 - 2014-03-17
My bad, but thanks might stick with the bundle deal then.
Intel NUC - HTPC (Haswell Late 2013 edition) - frarev - 2014-03-17
(2014-03-17, 00:21)micoba Wrote: I tried 4 (!!!) different USB 3.0 Sticks and a USB 3.0 Card reader as a boot drive, with all I have problems booting...
Perhaps your nuc has an hardware problem ?
RE: Intel NUC - HTPC (Haswell Late 2013 edition) - noggin - 2014-03-17
(2014-03-17, 08:15)trsqr Wrote: Also, the DN2820FYKH is said to handle 23.978p material perfectly, whereas the Ivy Bridge i3 will not do that.
I know this is the thread for Haswell, but has the N2820 been absolutely confirmed to have fixed the 23.976Hz bug (given that it is based on an older graphics architecture than the Haswells that have)?
(Also in Windows there are HD audio issues with the N2820 - though none in Linux)
RE: Intel NUC - HTPC (Haswell Late 2013 edition) - voip-ninja - 2014-03-17
(2014-03-16, 23:21)noggin Wrote: My NUC (Haswell i5) booted from a Lexar 8GB USB 3.0 stick for the original OpenElec Gotham Beta 1 (and now Beta 2) installstick boot. It's also booted from the same type of stick to for an Ubuntu 13.10 Live trial. I've switched to Lexar USB 3.0 sticks for most of my stuff - even with USB 2.0 ports they are definitely faster, and appear to be pretty reliable.
Are you able to boot the USB 3.0 device from a USB 3.0 port though? That was the problem with the previous generation NUC and I believe Intel reported it was a design limitation with USB 3.0, at least for those models.
RE: Intel NUC - HTPC (Haswell Late 2013 edition) - xbs08 - 2014-03-17
DN2820FYKH boots OE from USB 3.0 port just fine.
RE: Intel NUC - HTPC (Haswell Late 2013 edition) - noggin - 2014-03-17
(2014-03-17, 16:23)voip-ninja Wrote:(2014-03-16, 23:21)noggin Wrote: My NUC (Haswell i5) booted from a Lexar 8GB USB 3.0 stick for the original OpenElec Gotham Beta 1 (and now Beta 2) installstick boot. It's also booted from the same type of stick to for an Ubuntu 13.10 Live trial. I've switched to Lexar USB 3.0 sticks for most of my stuff - even with USB 2.0 ports they are definitely faster, and appear to be pretty reliable.
Are you able to boot the USB 3.0 device from a USB 3.0 port though? That was the problem with the previous generation NUC and I believe Intel reported it was a design limitation with USB 3.0, at least for those models.
My i5-4250 NUC booted fine from an 8GB Lexar USB 3.0 stick, plugged into one of the back-panel USB3.0 ports on the NUC (there aren't any USB 2.0 ports fitted as standard on this model - though there are motherboard headers for an additional 2xUSB 2.0 ports which I haven't used)
I use this variety : http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lexar-100MB-JumpDrive-Flash-Memory/dp/B00B0YW8UK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1395074249&sr=8-1&keywords=lexar+8GB+USB+3
(Should add I'm a fan of Lexar USB sticks. Have both my unRAID servers booting from them, a pfSense firewall running from one, and they are my USB stick of choice now. Even with USB 2.0 ports, having a fast USB 3.0 stick seems to pay dividends.)
Booted into OpenElec Installer (I'm mainly using the OpenElec Gotham Beta 1 and Beta 2 - aka 3.95.1 and 3.95.2 I think) and installed OpenElec to a 30GB Intel 525 mSATA SSD (probably not very fast but was pretty cheap) USB stick created on a mac using the create install stick script. Have not upgraded the BIOS yet, and not altered any BIOS settings away from the delivered default.
If it is relevant I've got the model with space for a 2.5" SATA drive - the NUC D54250WYKH
When I booted I was offered two options for the USB stick in the boot menu. One was prefixed with EFI, one was not. I chose the non-EFI option.
RE: Intel NUC - HTPC (Haswell Late 2013 edition) - xayide - 2014-03-18
Anyone got a recommended xorg.conf for 23.976p on the Haswell NUCs?
(I have the cheap DN2820FYKH). But I only see 24Hz, no 23.976 in OE 4.0 Beta 1. Would really appreciate some advice.
Also if you touched any settings in advancedsettings.xml I would appreciate heads up.
On the ION I used fpsdetect = 2
RE: Intel NUC - HTPC (Haswell Late 2013 edition) - noggin - 2014-03-18
(2014-03-18, 00:15)xayide Wrote: Anyone got a recommended xorg.conf for 23.976p on the Haswell NUCs?
(I have the cheap DN2820FYKH). But I only see 24Hz, no 23.976 in OE 4.0 Beta 1. Would really appreciate some advice.
Also if you touched any settings in advancedsettings.xml I would appreciate heads up.
On the ION I used fpsdetect = 2
The DN2820FYKH is Bay Trail not Haswell isn't it?
RE: Intel NUC - HTPC (Haswell Late 2013 edition) - voip-ninja - 2014-03-18
(2014-03-18, 00:22)noggin Wrote:(2014-03-18, 00:15)xayide Wrote: Anyone got a recommended xorg.conf for 23.976p on the Haswell NUCs?
(I have the cheap DN2820FYKH). But I only see 24Hz, no 23.976 in OE 4.0 Beta 1. Would really appreciate some advice.
Also if you touched any settings in advancedsettings.xml I would appreciate heads up.
On the ION I used fpsdetect = 2
The DN2820FYKH is Bay Trail not Haswell isn't it?
23.976 is fixed on bay trail. Even on ivy bridge you can do 23.976 you will just get frame drops.
RE: Intel NUC - HTPC (Haswell Late 2013 edition) - noggin - 2014-03-18
(2014-03-18, 04:44)voip-ninja Wrote: 23.976 is fixed on bay trail. Even on ivy bridge you can do 23.976 you will just get frame drops.
But if you get frame drops then you're not doing 23.976 are you?
Sure you're playing 23.976 content (which you could also do with Sandy Bridge ISTR), but as you're not displaying it at its native frame rate you either get frame drops, or reclock/drop/dupe audio and sync playback to display to avoid these (but get audio issues instead)
But Bay Trail hits 23.976 precisely avoiding all of this?
RE: Intel NUC - HTPC (Haswell Late 2013 edition) - tutu - 2014-03-18
I'm having USB detection issues lately as well - I can't get it to see the USB stick when updating the BIOS. The USB sticks worked before. I'll see if I can fix the issue..
RE: Intel NUC - HTPC (Haswell Late 2013 edition) - voip-ninja - 2014-03-18
(2014-03-18, 13:49)noggin Wrote:(2014-03-18, 04:44)voip-ninja Wrote: 23.976 is fixed on bay trail. Even on ivy bridge you can do 23.976 you will just get frame drops.
But if you get frame drops then you're not doing 23.976 are you?
Sure you're playing 23.976 content (which you could also do with Sandy Bridge ISTR), but as you're not displaying it at its native frame rate you either get frame drops, or reclock/drop/dupe audio and sync playback to display to avoid these (but get audio issues instead)
But Bay Trail hits 23.976 precisely avoiding all of this?
Ivy bridge does 23.973 (maybe a bit better with more recent updates). To get more accurate they needed newer silicon. Yes you will drop frame every six minutes when playing 23.976 content to a 23.976 display but it's not as gross of an error as playing 23.976 content at 24.00.
Fritsch, one of the xbmc devs has confirmed that bay trail graphics have 23.976 working properly.
RE: Intel NUC - HTPC (Haswell Late 2013 edition) - fritsch - 2014-03-18
I did not verify the last one. I only said, that there is an 23.976 hz mode available by default with recent kernels and I don't have this hardware.
Edit:
It's quite easy to see:
- Play some 23.976 movie, while doing so verify with xbmc-xrandr that the 23.976 hz mode is in use (current="true").
- Enable "Sync Playback to Display" with method Video Clock
- Start that 23.976 movie again. Press "o" - if you see 23.978 fps all is fine. If you see constant 24.0 - you have the old problem.
RE: Intel NUC - HTPC (Haswell Late 2013 edition) - locust - 2014-03-18
Anyone having flaky wifi issues with the Intel 7260 wifi card in Linux? I had to ditch OpenELEC for Win7 because in OpenELEC the network would randomly drop connection and reconnect infinitely until a system reboot happened. A problem that doesn't happen in Win7