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- Livin - 2007-05-29 02:07
Gamester/ultrabrutal,
Sorry for misunderstanding the point of the post.
But I do maintain that keep the platform open is better for the community... though I do understand what limiting the hw does for dev & troubleshooting I also realize what limitations you encounter... just ask JM and the other devs what they've had to work-around to get things working and what items they'd like to do, but cannot. I'm sure the list is fairly large.
I can understand limiting the general hardware but not to 1 or 2 specific closed platforms... that is not the best way to promote XBMC or allow it to grow but allowing other devs in that may not want a PS3, X360, or ATv, etc.
With the unified driver sets that ATI & NVidia use keeping to the two largest vendors for video makes sense... and even saying something like DX10 or DX9 or OpenGL is a must. I understand perfectly.
Requiring a specific 'closed' platform... not the best option IMO.
- Gamester17 - 2007-05-29 11:26
Affini Wrote:I can understand limiting the general hardware but not to 1 or 2 specific closed platforms... that is not the best way to promote XBMC or allow it to grow but allowing other devs in that may not want a PS3, X360, or ATv, etc.Again you have not read the whole post or missunderstod it. Developers and end-users will not be limited to those fixed hardware platforms, developers and end-users alike will at least be able to run it on any x86-based hardware platform they like. The only thing that we will be limiting is the end-user support from Team-XBMC and these forums, if you as an end-users do not run on a supported hardware platform then we will not help you, period, simple as that. You may still run XBMC, and it may or may not run as well on a supported hardware platform but if you run into problem or discover a bug then you will not get any assistance from Team-XBMC or in this forum, nor will we be accepting any bug-reports unless the end-user can replicate the problem on a supported hardware platform. ...developers are the only ones we will assist if they run a other hardware platform, but only if the thing they want help with is not directly related to their unsupported hardware platform.
- seaweed - 2007-05-29 11:54
The Aopen Santa Rosa-based miniPC Duo MP965-VDR looks realy promising, it will have both component and hdmi output, and uses ntel's 965GM chipset with intel Clear Video Technology.
Lets just hope the price wont be to scary
- pike - 2007-05-29 11:59
I just wish Intel who made great progress with their opensource drivers, would also include Intel Clear Video / Viiv and such stuff in their OSS efforts
- Gamester17 - 2007-05-29 12:35
Yes, Intel and VIA and the only manufacturers who provide proper open source device drivers. VIA got 1up on Intel as they also provide code for their video hardware acceleration API via XvMC, but we/you can always all do our best to lobby Intel to do the same:
http://intellinuxgraphics.org
http://openchrome.org
Nevertheless, even if discussing hardware is fun in itself, it is really a moot point until the Linux port of XBMC get relativly up-to-date and stable for end-users to start using, ...which ETA is probebely too hard to estimate today as so many factors are involved (summer holidays coming up, more developers might join in the effort and/or existing developers might drop the project, etc.), however my personal guess it that is at least 3 to 6 months away before be can think about locked down any hardware limitations, (disclaimer: this is only my personal opinions and guess, note that I am not a programmer/developer, I could not even code to save my life)
- pike - 2007-05-29 13:21
http://digg.com/linux_unix/XBMC_recruiting_developers_for_Linux_port
- Gamester17 - 2007-05-29 14:52
"HELP-WANTED" 'add' posted on www.xboxmediacenter.com - everyone please spead the news!
- jonb2 - 2007-05-29 19:53
Forget mac, it makes no sense what-so-ever to port linux and yet pick mac hardware as the supported system. Yes I am aware of mac-tels that can run linux and windows, but it's a still a mac and only 3% of computer users use any type of mac.
If you want to standardize and port to linux a much better way to do it would be to look at the packages in linux that you will be using and find out what specific hardware is the easiest to code for, best supported, and largest user base. Then pick the 2 video cards 2 sound cards two chipsets etc...
In other words one system amd the other is intel, one is ati the other nvidia, one is realtek the other is soundblaster (though sound blaster might not make the cut in the easy to code for dept). This gives you much broader coverage and you have hardware that everyone else has and a straight forward upgrade path. Instead of some oddball mac that only sells 100000 units during it's entire life cycle, and is incompatible or possibly discontinued at next-gen.
The other option, but I don't this one is as good because the user base is a different animal, would be to pick a low-end dell/hp and high-end dell/hp. There are the top 2 manufactures, however most of their users are not running linux or XBMC. So while they comprise more then 30% of the entire pc market they probably only comprise about 1% of the future XBMC user base.
- skruven - 2007-05-29 20:09
jonb2 Wrote:Forget mac, it makes no sense what-so-ever to port linux and yet pick mac hardware as the supported system. Yes I am aware of mac-tels that can run linux and windows, but it's a still a mac and only 3% of computer users use any type of mac.
I think that the aTV would be a great platform. Its the design and the features that i want. Hell it dosent even run OSX!
Thats why i think many people wants the aTV as a platform. The uniqe design and kinda good features.
The macmini is another good platform. Coz of the design and the hardware features in the slim box. If you come up with anoter cool and neat pre-build box in that size, I would take a look on it and speak again
- ultrabrutal - 2007-05-29 20:50
jonb2, you're missing the point. the point is not having to rely on pc hardware or dell/hp machine which usually is gone after 3 months (replaced by new series). then we would have to support new hardware and the old is obsolete. the point is to find some hardware which survives over many years - just like the Xbox does/did. xbox360, ps3, macmini and appletv are such hardware. if you can come up with something else, let us hear