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- spiff - 2007-05-31 00:43
http://intellinuxgraphics.org/
- jonb2 - 2007-05-31 03:34
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No your missing the point. The same linux that ran on a 386 back in 1995 will run on a brand new just built last week from not yet released reference design new hardware pc..
Im sorry but you dont have a clue, do you know how many times HP 'updates' their motherboards without even changing the naming of the pc? suddenly a certain model of SFF from HP contained s-ata chipsets, making our ghost program go nuts. We have about 300 of these at work, i have sofar found 12 different models with different errors and bugs with the SAME linux ghost. Everything from GPU to HDD chip being fubar. Dell upgrades their products each 9-12 months (3 month overlaps so that companies can get used to new on). You wanna make sure that each dev has its own version of the new Dell AND Hp machine so that they can troubleshoot each new case of "this chipset was 0.99$ cheeper, lets swap to that one in the middle of the production...
I don't have a clue ? Your response doesn't even have anything to do with my statement that you quoted. The fact that you didn't know that a drive image from one machine won't automatically transfer to a different machine and attempting it will create errors in windows 95-vista and linux 386-686. Has nothing to do with whether or not a 386 distro of linux will run on 100000 different configurations using hardware spanning a decade and clearly speaks to your in-ability to grasp the subject at hand.
RTFM
- bmfrosty - 2007-05-31 03:47
jonb2 Wrote:I don't have a clue ? Your response doesn't even have anything to do with my statement that you quoted. The fact that you didn't know that a drive image from one machine won't automatically transfer to a different machine and attempting it will create errors in windows 95-vista and linux 386-686. Has nothing to do with whether or not a 386 distro of linux will run on 100000 different configurations using hardware spanning a decade and clearly speaks to your in-ability to grasp the subject at hand.
RTFM
Wow. I didn't think this thread would attract trolls. It's either that or you're angry about not understanding Linux very well. It's not like you get hardware accelerated video stuff with the standard Vesa drivers.
- raid517 - 2007-05-31 04:34
Apple TV will die. It is already a fairly big flop. In another year it will be all but forgotten. (I am not anti-Apple - but I think the writing is already on the wall).
I also think it would be a mistake to pin your hopes on yet another proprietary platform at this time.
Fine if you wish to use a reference set of hardware - a small form factor PC that most ordinary people can buy, or assemble on their own and which has more than enough processing power to handle HDTV etc would be fine.
But I for one (as another long term XBMC user) really would not like the idea of being forced to buy into yet another proprietary platform. I bought the 4 Xbox1's I have owned for XBMC only. I don't think I ever played a single game on any of them. But the idea of Linux is that it isn't tied to one big specific company, or corporate entitity. Should it become a requirement to buy into another proprietary platform, such as Apple TV, or worse still Sony PlayStation (with a $600+ price tag) I do feel that this would be self defeating. I like/liked the idea of XBMC on Linux specifically because it enabled XBMC to move away from a dependence on proprietary platforms. I don't think Sony or Apple need my support - and I would like the option not to be made to give them it (and to not have a choice) simply in order to continue using XBMC.
I do hope that hosting an open source project like this on an open platform that is not at the mercy of the market, is ultimately something that the developers feel is in the best interests of the project too.
- ultrabrutal - 2007-05-31 09:28
raid, consider how many appletv's there would be sold for xbmc. I do not know how many they need to sell in order to consider it a success. xbmc is so good that I easily see it sell multiple millions.
bringing xbmc away from the xbox will attract even more users than there are currently. the software is free. no offering from any company comes close. it's unique and easily justify the extra price tag for a macmini or a appletv imo. I totally agree with the devs that supporting a few platforms is a requirement - this does not mean it does not run on any platform you like. it just mean you can only get support, from devs, on these platforms. the rest you are on your own. read what gamester has written in this thread!
- w84no1 - 2007-05-31 14:00
I could care less what hardware it runs on now. I am excited that it is being ported.
I would like thank all of the devs that are hard at work getting this ported to Linux!!!!!!!
Once it is stable enough for some beta testers, then I will give it a try. I will try to run it on whatever hardware I have at the time. There is no need to sweat about the hardware until it is ported. Good job guys!
- jonb2 - 2007-05-31 14:31
ultrabrutal Wrote:raid, consider how many appletv's there would be sold for xbmc. I do not know how many they need to sell in order to consider it a success. xbmc is so good that I easily see it sell multiple millions.
bringing xbmc away from the xbox will attract even more users than there are currently. the software is free. no offering from any company comes close. it's unique and easily justify the extra price tag for a macmini or a appletv imo. I totally agree with the devs that supporting a few platforms is a requirement - this does not mean it does not run on any platform you like. it just mean you can only get support, from devs, on these platforms. the rest you are on your own. read what gamester has written in this thread!
1st: I really doubt the apple tv will sell a million little lone 4 or more million and I doubt 10000 people will run out and buy one so they can run XBMC. They will either get it working on what they already have, put in on a new system the next time they get one, or just give up do to lack of support.
2nd: So far not a single dev has said anything about supporting apple anything or limiting support. So far the only thing I've seen a dev mention as likely supported hardware is intel graphic's.
- ultrabrutal - 2007-05-31 14:47
jonb, gamester speaks for the devs here. correct no decisions have been made. it's much too early, but we can speak about possible supported platforms until then can't we? personally I would buy 2 possibly 4 and I know of pleanty people who would the same. 10000 people is nothing worldwide
apple believes they will sell one million before christmas. I think XBMC could boost sales. I for one have nothing I want to put in the living room and building a HTPC is a much more expensive alternative. ok if you have an old computer be my guest but most people do not want a "normal" computer in their living room
(http://applerecon.com/2007/01/24/apple-tv-blowing-away-expectations/)
- ashlar - 2007-05-31 15:02
Ultrabrutal, while the AppleTV concept is fascinating, I really believe that the hardware would struggle to reach even the low spec level proposed by the developers. 720p h.264 would be severely limited in bitrate, according to specs. *And* the hardware acceleration is not accessible under Linux, if I understand correctly.
- seaweed - 2007-05-31 15:02
So did the xbmc linux project gain any new developers because of the new publicty? (Front page of xbox-scene.com etc) Would be nice if the project could draft some good developers to speed up the process and help out.