Unified PVR frontend (DVR/HTPC client GUI with EPG) and Addons API for PVR backends? - Printable Version
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- ridler - 2010-08-23 11:27
I also believe that recoding service from DVBViewer would be the best match for XBMC.
Hope someone picks it up...
- DisTreSs - 2010-08-25 15:46
Just registered to say ditto on fully supporting DVBViewer recording service as backend!!
Match made in heaven in my book (and lots of other people) !!
- peely - 2010-09-06 19:58
I think there's a problem with the TVHeadend client in respect to observing daylight savings.
My time zones on the headend server and the XBMC client are both the same, but I always seem to be given a guide in XBMC which is an hour off.
The Headend web page shows the correct running programmes but my XBMC box is out.
Is anyone else seeing the same thing?
- tafypz - 2010-09-20 20:09
Is there a documentation on what to use / extend to create a pvr addon ?
I understand that this is still work in progress and I am willing to go through the pain of developping off a development branch. I pretty much would like to tackle an actual mythTV pvr addon. If somebody is already working on this, I am willing to lend a hand.
Dreambox and new PVR thing - Vultures - 2010-09-27 16:22
I have already opened a separate thread on this, but here the matter might be more visible. It would be nice to have a full integration beween XBMC, and Dreambox (VU, Dbox, and other Enigma2 boxes). I am aware about Tuxbox as a videosource, and some custom scripts, but those are mostly unstable, and they don't support EPG, timers, and other box capabilities. Not even channel switching.
Enigma 2 has a web front-end with all these features, and it is widely used for various remote control applications for Iphone/Ipad, Android and the likes, so full support should not be much of an issue. There are not so many ways to watch paid TV on HTPC (legally), and Enigma2 integration seems to be the optimal one — you can even use it for Sly (both UK and Italia). As far as I know, no DVB card can give you this...
Ticket #10185 in trac
This link should be useful, not sure if it is up to date though
- hudo - 2010-09-27 17:16
I don't have any issues watching TV on my XBMC box using pvr-testing2 branch. There are a few glitches and bugs but that's to be expected from unstable/in development software.
I can see 'Sly' and a bunch of other providers using 2x HVR4000. You just have to find the best solution...
BTW, I have owned countless dreamboxes over the years and the latest models (800/8000) still can't get close to a proper configured XBMC. I still own 2 but I'm seriously considering ditching them after pvr branch is merged into trunk and stabilized.
Unless you just want to watch TV - in that case it's a great product - media watching/listening on dreamboxes is a joke... a bad taste joke for a product that *could* be great. That's what you gain for closing the source on kernel/drivers/whatever level...
However I will concede on this: TV functionality on dreamboxes is the best. I have a list of things to put on trac tickets to mimic dreamboxes functionality. Their navigation system through channels is unbeatable. 5 keys give you all the control you'll ever need.
- Vultures - 2010-09-27 17:47
Quote:I don't have any issues watching TV on my XBMC box using pvr-testing2 branch. There are a few glitches and bugs but that's to be expected from unstable/in development software.
I assume by the best solution you mean CS? Well, that's an option. But I was talking about legal ways to get there
Anyway, I'd like to hear about your solution. And about PVR testing branch (where can one get it and is there anything for Enigma2)
My point is that Enigma2 boxes are the best option for TV back-end for XBMC. Reasons why:
-Ability to mix dvb-t, dvb-s, and dvb-c in one box (DM8000), and eventually in your HTPC.
-Multiple tuners — you can watch your services on multiple XBMC clients around the house (up to 4 and more with some limitations for DM8000).
-Unlimited number of cards/subscriptions — when you run out of built in card readers, you use 4 CI interfaces, if that's not enough, you can install usb smargo readers.
-Client APIs, web interface, and HTTP streaming are already in place, and quite mature.
-Almost all providers are supported. It's hard to impossible to activate certain subscriptions on DVB cards, especially on windows PC. On DM it's quite straighforward.
-Wide range of well-supported software cams for those who need it.
-Can be dirt cheap thanks to child labor from China. Seriously, clones are almost as good as the "real thing", given that you don't plan to update it too often — every update is a risk of bricking.
-You even have a phoneline for interactive services.
Et cetera, et cetera.
PS: You can't sort channel list based on frequency. That's bad. Otherwise they are perfect.
But I am still looking forward to integration with XBMC, that would be kinda all in one godbox
- Vultures - 2010-09-27 17:54
hudo Wrote:Unless you just want to watch TV - in that case it's a great product - media watching/listening on dreamboxes is a joke... a bad taste joke for a product that *could* be great. That's what you gain for closing the source on kernel/drivers/whatever level...
That is why I raised this suggestion. Dreambox is not by all means a media player, you can make one from it using VLC server, but it would be nothing compared to regular HTPC, not to mention XBMC. But they could become a perfect couple with proper inegration, see above.
- hudo - 2010-09-27 18:20
I agree to all the above, but there's no reason why one can't do all that with several tuner cards, a server and a few front-ends, instead of just buying a bunch of dreamboxes - they will never be a true media-center - and xbmc boxes to accompany them.
Considering the price tag on a DM8000, you can build a server and 2 or more front-ends (depending on hardware used, of course...)
And you still end up with a better product. As for the child labor... I prefer not to buy Chinese cloned stuff (I know, I know... almost impossible task...). You end up with a good looking brick on your hands with a not so nice price tag...
Anyways, this is just discussing possibilities.
My current setup is:
- Server/main XBMC box on living room (Asus M3N78-EM, BE-2350, 2Gigs RAM, etc) with 2x HVR4000 and an experimental DVB-T usb stick that my TV provider offered to convince me on switching from sat... Not happening for reasons that don't matter here.
- 2 x Asrock 330 as front-ends connected to server
They all run XBMC pvr branch that you can get here: https://launchpad.net/~henningpingel/+archive/xbmc
Beware it's usable but *not* stable. And support on xbmc forums for that branch is only available after it's been merged into trunk.
- Vultures - 2010-09-27 18:40
hudo Wrote:there's no reason why one can't do all that with several tuner cards, a server and......a bunch of phoenix readers, Linux, but not just any linux, cardserver software, that are pain to setup. There are also driver and compatibility issues issues, etc, etc.
The above is mostly about nasty NDS3 cards, but nearly all the cool stuff is encrypted with NDS these days. You can use CS on your sever, but CS sucks for Sly (I know that using L is a stupid superstition, but what the hell). You need a rocksolid connection, 100% reliable server, and totally transparent trace to make it work.
DM8000 is some 700 euros (850 with addon tuners). Server with similair capabilities will cost about the same. Certainly not less (4 tuner cards, 2 cardreaders, 4 CIs, wi-fi etc.)
But dream gives it to you without particular pain. And it is EASY to integrate with xbmc.