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- Jezz_X - 2008-12-02 22:20
Just for clarification I don't care if people send money thats their own personal decision and up to them, the part I dislike is the continued pumping of XBMC forum members to get it. Once and the forum sticky in this section is enough.
If I didn't want the donation thread at all I could just delete it.
- xb2iris - 2008-12-03 12:39
Competes2win Wrote:I understand that you work hard on this and that it takes a lot of your time. But you say this as if difficulty justifies asking for money. Coding xbmc takes a lot of time. The dev's have spent much more time than you on your skinning project, but they do it for free. The other skinners have made skins from nothing and they did it for free. The entire xbmc project is open source...
sorry bout my last post... obviously, felt a bit defensive having so many people questioning my motives and everything else, so i was a bit frustrated and did act like a foolish child towards u... so sorry for that dude... it's just if u could the conversations that led up to this donation topic, u'd understand my motivation for putting it up, and its not in the least bit kallis...
i totally get what u mean compete2win... but to my defence, i'm not asking anyone for money for the skin... i'm simply asking for help... i'm not charging anyone... if u don't donate, u can still download horizonz, and makes requests and everything else... i'm not going to treat anyone different based on whether they donate or not...
nyways... i totally agree with u on the free system... i'd never have done this if i wasn't persuaded to do so by others... and ur opinion is exactly the one i gave the people who persuaded me to put this topic up in the first place... guess it was a win-lose situation... on one hand (their opinion), i'd get up and running quicker and be able to release a new volume quicker, on the other (mine), i'd lose fans and respect for doing this... guess both are happening, and i'm still set on keeping this thing up, as, i hope u agree, i've explained the idea a little better now...
again, sorry about yesterday... i know how it feels when someones text tone doesn't quite sound right... and about ur humanity... ur an xbmc bitch like me, so yeah, we ain't human... at least not fully... one question, why can't i write shorter replies... mental isn't it... i've just cost u an hour of ur life reading this post... dam, i suck at replying...
tuckbodi Wrote:I donated (Chris Peterson) simply because this guy takes the time to answer posts in a friendly fashion. Can't tell you how tiring it is to see all the negative replies/answers up on the Handbrake forums and some (not all) of the AwkwardTV forums. It's truly refreshing to see someone as excited and nice as xb2iris is about his skin/mod and how he remarkably seems to be able to answer almost every question & request (although sometimes I wonder where he finds the time to do the actual skinning :--))
thanks for the comment man... and that donation... and trust me i totally get what u mean about hectic replies and people being negative... its a pain in the butt... but every forum poster needs to deal with the abuse i guess... sometimes its fun, when someone opens up a hole you can diss them through... but yeah, thanks again... trully appreciate it...
pletopia Wrote:x2biris .. are you planning on putting full names into the thx section .. or rather usernames from the forum ?
thanks man... but i guess some people wouldn't want their names to be thrown around... so usernames would be fine... ur names down on the list already... nyways... thanks again for the support...
- xb2iris - 2008-12-03 12:52
jalesm Wrote:Haha wow. I guess even skinners have crazy stalker fans.
u have no idea man... hehehehe... she's crazy... wooo... i'm in for storm for saying that... lol
HexusOdy Wrote:I think both people have a point xb2iris and like Jezz_X he has the right to post it Both are strong opinions on opposite ends of the spectrum. SO I guess balance is restored.
dude... i heard that the only opinion that counts in god's... so both of us were wrong... the balance is restored
nyways... yeah u said it in a few words... wish i had that ability... 2 write short messages which make that much sense... my version would be around 500 words... go figure... my minds to fragmented with numbers and code...
nyways... thanks for the support... that made a lot of sense... where were u the other day hahaha... l8r
Jezz_X Wrote:Just for clarification I don't care if people send money thats their own personal decision and up to them, the part I dislike is the continued pumping of XBMC forum members to get it. Once and the forum sticky in this section is enough.
i know u could man... u have too much power... hey, and i wasn't pumping anyone man... i wouldn't know how to do that in this kinda environment... nyways... get what u mean... and the pumping has stopped... (dam, i bet someones going to delete this post)...
nyways... next time i talk to u, i want u to behave urself okay... stop kicking my ass because ur all powerful and legendary... but in all seriousness... point taken and understood... stop wasting ur talent on me... go sort a vision3 out or something... bet u are already :/
nyways... take it easy... and the law will be abided by... cross my heart and already died... just kidding... anyways, don't forget to donate to horizonz
take care man... ur a warrior!...
- BlackRose - 2008-12-03 12:57
Errrr! Guess you make a point XB2IRIS. I'm over crazy sometimes and I do apologise for my hash words. I don't believe a single word didn't make sense in the context of this topic. Have to bring reason to the overwhelming lack of clarity in here.
Anyways, DONATE if you can, if you can't, well, too bad! Screenshots looking good man! Excited!
- MikeBeecham - 2008-12-03 14:59
As much as it pains me to say this, I have to agree with everything that Jezz has said so far. I really dont mind people contributing to something that they feel is a worthy cause, but what really offended me is the fact that I first knew about this when I got a pm in my inbox asking me for money.
I TOTALLY understand and respect where Jezz_X is coming from. We've fallen out big time, and I daresay that the friendship we had will never be restored. However, that said, I completely respect him as skinner, designer and coder. He's put more time and effort into the xbmc skinning scene than most other people. If anyone has a right to request stuff, then it would be Jezz.
From a personal perspective, I (with my team) spent an entire year of our lives creating something which would be free for the community to use. We did it off our own backs, we did it with our own time and we did it for free.
XB2iris, I totally get the fact that you love what you do, and that you want to provide something that the community can use. However, I really disagree with approaching people for money to replace something that would have died at some stage anyway. Someone has already mentioned that I'm sure you didnt just use your PC for designing. I would never dream of asking people to fund a new PC, just so that I can continue working on a hobby.
Perhaps it would be better to get a blog and drop a donation button onto it.
- djh_ - 2008-12-03 15:18
Jezz_X Wrote:It bugged me when djh_ did it for AEON
Far be it for me to add fuel to the fire, but when the fuck did this happen? I haven't made one penny from the hundreds of hours spent on Aeon, nor have I ever asked for one. In fact, I've probably spent enough on poster and backdrop materials to buy three Xboxes, not to mention the money I lose in freelance work from diverting so much time to the enterprise.
So please, elaborate.
Good point - voiddreamer - 2008-12-03 16:28
--- Hate to encourage hijacking of threads but ---
I don't recall djh_ ever doing that with Aeon. In fact as far as I can remember he has always made a point to NOT want anyone's money.
--- Back to the point ---
While I see no problem in having the choice of donating to someone, I don't like to be asked repeatedly. At this point though I think enough has been said about this particular issue. xb2iris has stated that he was simply frustrated and stressed out.
Mod: recommend thread lock and unsticky.
- HexusOdy - 2008-12-03 17:38
Yep lets drop the money issue. Its time xb2 could be spending on Horizons
- xb2iris - 2008-12-03 20:46
BlackRose Wrote:Errrr! Guess you make a point XB2IRIS. I'm over crazy sometimes and I do apologise for my hash words. I don't believe a single word didn't make sense in the context of this topic. Have to bring reason to the overwhelming lack of clarity in here.
hahaha... yeah, serves u right... but yeah, guess u meant well... ur a superstar, but a mad one in that...
MikeBeecham Wrote:As much as it pains me to say this, I have to agree with everything that Jezz has said so far. I really dont mind people contributing to something that they feel is a worthy cause, but what really offended me is the fact that I first knew about this when I got a pm in my inbox asking me for money.
yeah, i totally understand where ur coming from... and jezz_x and ur points are very valid... and i'm completely at fault, which i know... i can't blame anything on other individuals who made me think this was a good idea... its all my baby, and i get it, so Mike, and Jezz, i concur, i was at fault and i get that... this entire idea ringed true to the fact that i shouldn't be forceful, although, to my defence, i never had that intention... the pm'ing thing was done was done in an irresponsible way... and continually reminding people about the cause... again, to my defence, i only messaged people i knew were into the skin or at least using it (believed at least)... so, man, i get you and i apologise to everyone i've pm'd...
nyways... i still don't agree that i'm asking for money to use my skin... that would be charging individuals for something and that is unethical for xbmc users in the least sense of the word... i am simply asking for help, and its completely their decision if they help out or not... people who don't help aren't going to be treated any differently... all i am, is enthusiastic about the idea of spending this free month mounting a serious effort into finishing as much as i can... if that happens, i'll be happy and i'm sure, a new release will make a few others happy as well... if it doesn't, no bad thing, i'll just work on it when my situation changes... two weeks ago i was sitting in sitution where i had no way of working on the skin... told one or two people about that fact and they offered to help out (i never asked them)... then they mentioned, that they sure there are more people who would help out if i let them know... and at first, i thought it was a bad idea... but they convinced me by getting another guy i've never even heard from before to change my mind... well, so i put this page up...
from then, obvioulsy, i've said a few things i shouldn't have... kinda stooped to a lower level... which has been made apparent by jezzy... and i totally understood what he said... hope this long ass message gets u understanding my mental process as well... not looking to upset anyone... which i guess i have... hope we can come out of this in as good a way as possible... i won't make the same mistakes again... nyways... checked ur profile on deviantart the other day... ur quite the artist, and i always wondered where those icons came from... now i know... nyways... thanks for ur time
- xb2iris - 2008-12-03 21:04
djh_ Wrote:Far be it for me to add fuel to the fire, but when the fuck did this happen? I haven't made one penny from the hundreds of hours spent on Aeon, nor have I ever asked for one. In fact, I've probably spent enough on poster and backdrop materials to buy three Xboxes, not to mention the money I lose in freelance work from diverting so much time to the enterprise.
dude... i'm not asking for money for this... i'm asking for help... theirs a difference... and i know most of u get that... i know, this isn't even entirely my skin... but thats not the point... if i got a pc tomorrow, i'd kill this topic in a second... every single person who has givin me money, has done so because they like horizonz... not because they are forced to do so... u gotta get that man... i've done my apologising to everyone i've wronged...
nyways... just to change the subject, because i've leant enough lessons about xbmc and the ethics involved over the last few days... ur a legend, my motivation before u dissapeared, but i know that was in good faith... i'm very glad ur back... and updating regularily... stark is looking absolutely stunning... i'm overly impressed thus far... i owe u a lot man... u have no idea, even though i'm still owed an equilibrium backdrop if i remember correctly... nyways... have u managed to get rid of that anti-aliasing problemo yet... have an idea or two if i'm allowed to send a message to the person responsible for so much...
voiddreamer Wrote:--- Hate to encourage hijacking of threads but ---
that recommendation may be taken very soon... but i'd like to continue putting screeners up in here... and with certain pm's i've received with people supporting this cause and telling me not to drop the topic, just drop the attitude and over indulgence, i guess its a good half way point... hope that makes sense... so, if anyone wants to help... cool... if they don't... please guys... PLEASE, stop tag teaming me... i'm only human, and i make mistakes... don't want this to have a negative influence on anyone... just want to survive this crisis... PLEASE get what i'm trying to say... not interested in ur money... I'm interested in Horizonz and Horizonz only...
HexusOdy Wrote:Yep lets drop the money issue. Its time xb2 could be spending on Horizons
wish i could... but seriously, i've been helped a lot by u guys... and u were one of the first, so thanks a hell of a lot for that... i've leant my lesson dude... never listen to people u hardly even know... nyways... new screeners friday or so... checkback