[RELEASE] Back Row (Skin) - Printable Version
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- djdafreund - 2009-12-18 06:13
Here's the thing with the xbox. It has always been kept compatible with the xbox, and a lot of skins dropped worrying about if it worked or not since the xbmc even dropped development anymore on the xbox format, other then bug fixes and such. It was mentioned on the main site.
Now, in 4x3 mode, it will use the smaller filmstrip, and in 16x9/16x9 modes, it uses the wider strip, which is great so you can see more of the strip when quickly moving through it. Easier at a glance kind of thing. It's hard to balance keeping things down to working great and fast on the xbox, and that becomes a hinderance with the whole concept of HDTV systems, which is where the majority of focus on XBMC has been. And why the hard development towards other smaller PC system's that run it, so we can use it as a substitute for XBOX'S for the same price, but gain much more advantage's, as well as playing HD content, and not being limited to lower resolution / smaller texture's / graphics to keep the xbox from getting sluggish, which more and more is no longer becoming a focus.
With that in mind, it should work just fine in 720p on xbox, as i've been using only Back Row on it for years, and never had much issue's with speed. Now, in 1080 mode, sure, it's a little slower, but you can't do much for that, considering your talking about a 733mhz or something processor with not much memory and not much video ram to handle it. But 720p still looks beautiful. But that's why they pushed the focus and porting over to other systems like linux and windows and max and iTV and such, as they are much better to handle, and we don't want to stay with much limiting our capabilities just because of the xbox. Granted we still like that it still works fine, but they have ALWAYS said, don't bother getting much of performance using anything higher modes then 720p, that's just expected due to the hardware limitations.
I agree with Sharpe (NICE TO SEE YA HERE NOW!!!YAY!!!) about some good feedback comments and feature's. I will be helping to make some of the remaining HD images to finish things off. The biggest thing we've been sitting on that mostly is honestly because of trying not to kill things from working on the xbox still. But this is going to be discussed. What we can do to keep things working ok, but yet not having to sacrifice limiting ourselves on all the machine's it's used on, JUST for the sake of the xbox system.
In other words, we don't want the theme not be kept downgraded of it's potential, JUST because of one system that is outdated and not supported even. Scary i know, since we've loved the xbox for so long, and was so basic in it's XBMP days. It's grown so largely and fast really with functionality. But every product after so much time, like it or not, becomes outdated due to it's hardware. We, just like XBMC want to grow, as technology opens up more and more capabilities.
I hope that helps understand the direction and also about the xbox.
One thing, about the filmstrip in the bottom. That was already done, and the thing about it is, as someone also really big into graphics and art, the focus of attention is usually towards the center of the object, which when it's put at the bottom, you really loose a lot of the focus level point. Maybe an option perhaps, but it really does best kept at the center. I do have some other idea's in mind that i will touch base with Sharpe to see what he thinks. And i will do the graphics to help pull it off.
- kautious - 2009-12-18 06:34
Thanks! And now I know.
I'll probability never have another question about where you guys are at on the xbox!
Should make a Sticky Thread for that!!
Nice work you guys.
- caboosification - 2009-12-18 10:31
this looks solid, cant wait to check it out later today after work
- pecinko - 2009-12-18 15:34
Very, very nice. Thanks for sharing it here. Although one could find a few missing things (media flagging in file views), my impression is this is well thought out and nicely done skin which is fun to use! Very clean and to not bloated with every feature XBMC skin could offer - like combining info, flags, cover, trailers, banners and fanart all in one view.
I have only one suggestion for now - keep it this way and do not add all kinds of stuff to it. We already have skins or mods with that kind of views, but there are not many of them like back-row.
- AnalogKid - 2009-12-18 19:48
djdafreund Wrote:Here's the thing with the xbox. It has always been kept compatible with the xbox, and a lot of skins dropped worrying about if it worked or not since the xbmc even dropped development anymore on the xbox format, other then bug fixes and such. It was mentioned on the main site.
I think it's right to stick trying to keep the skin working for all platforms... it's too easy to start favouring one platform and harnessing the performance that (say linux) might offer. I love the fact that the skin is still pretty small and yet keeps the appearance of a high end UI.
I cannot agree with the center being the focus of attention... it's well documented and proven in countless design techniques and UI's that the top 3rd grabs most attention.... and for a general image... top two thirds... there are lots of reasons for this... but it's not the end of the world to keep the home menu in the middle. It's one person's opinion over another's (the Aeon skin offered the option between middle and bottom).
That said... you can go overboard with 'options' too... might just be easier for someone to say "if you want to change the menu position... modify line 97 of home.xml" (for instance)
It's very hard NOT to sound critical when folks want to help enhance a UI... and also, there's a danger of go faster stripes making the UI look worse, not better... So please.. don't think any thoughts are criticisms (I don't think you think that anyway).
I'm very impressed with this skin, which is why I made a few comments... I think it has places to go!
Hope you can keep up the good work.... I think you user base is starting to increase!
- djdafreund - 2009-12-19 06:11
Feedback is always good. I wasn't talking in terms of UI's, but just in general with art, being i've had 30 or more years of experience with and training. I know UI's are different though. And i also agree everyone has there own opinion. I don't usually believe in 'well documented' articles though, as there's thousands of things it's used in, yet can be totally different in each application, and usually never has a perfect solution for all applications. A 'Rule of Thumb' works, but look at SO MANY programs out there that are the most of popular in the public eye, and yet having totally different designs and alignments of everything in the GUI. Yet each one still special in it's own way. Look how big M$ is and decade's of experience, and still don't get things right, constantly changing it, until the majority of the people like it, even though GUI's have been 'proven' to have one main choice of design that works. I joke about that. Being the biggest company in the world.
And no, i don't take things as criticism. I welcome your comments and such. That's why this theme, IMO, is one of the best out there and only one i have been using for years and years. Sharpe has sculptured it from a base, by using A LOT of user's comments and requests. Without you guy's support and comments and idea's, it wouldn't be what it is today. So just as big thanks to you guys for help making it what it's become, and also thanks for all the good support you've given. (Mostly from the X-S scene community, but it's more proper to have it here now.)
And thanks for the nice words said. I'm very proud of Sharpe's work with this theme just as well. I've tried so many other's, and some have missing views i like, or some have too many things, and some just have some quirks i just can't deal with, always coming back. It just has everything perfectly done that i like in a theme. And keep's getting better. Your comments are always welcome my friend!!!
- AnalogKid - 2009-12-19 15:31
I'm wondering too... about the DVD case opening animation....it's very sexy... but not serving too much purpose... (but still I like eye candy!)...
Perhaps this could be extended for the Music and TV shows.
There's something in the back of my mind niggling me though... that the box opening should open to reveal something useful...CD art would be one possibility... or some additional info like plot, or cast etc. I know I mentioned it in my first post... but maybe the case opening (as it is now) then closing in reverse to show the rear with additional info on the rearview. A lot of animation I know... but then again, it's only a transition from one angle to another... so not THAT much work *grin*
I do agree there are some other skins with views that maybe this skin is missing.... but you can't do them all!. There are aspects of Aeon I love, and of Transparency!... and the Elipsis theme manages to put a little 'sex' into things... it just doesn't quite embrace fanart in the way I would like it to.
In my opinion, this skin isn't the best any single aspect of a skin, but reaches the best compromises... and so makes it the best overall skin (until I change my mind lol)
And for those reading who say "what about Alaska?"... I think it's a great skin and breaks a number of 'traditional' XBMC UI styles.... which is really welcomed in order to be innovative. It's just not for me.
- garyi - 2009-12-20 11:12
Hi nice looking theme. Can I switch off the 5-4-3-2-1 thing, and also the fonts on settings etc are so small as to be unreadable at any reasonable distance, could that be adjusted at all?
- pecinko - 2009-12-20 13:56
AnalogKid Wrote:I'm wondering too... about the DVD case opening animation....
Here are my thoughts:
-show DVD or Bluray disc when case opens, if content is SD or HD respectively
- I have a couple of DVDs which are not on HDD. Checking if a folder have fake avi file like offline 123.avi, and showing offline disc image instead of DVD/Bluray (this is specific, so please ignore if you do not find it useful)
- case could fully open and show media flags on the left part
Couple of thoughts considering home page:
- show recently added as 4/5 covers above NAV bar
- use this placeholders for weather as well (like Aeon)
- make settings window Aeon/Confluence like
- show shutdown in NAV bar (at least optionally)
AnalogKid, what are you missing from Aeon (just curious)?
- AnalogKid - 2009-12-20 15:40
pecinko Wrote:Here are my thoughts:
Not wanting to threadjack abotu Aeon... but I'm missing stability with it... I was a huge fan of Temmi's Aeon45, but it's unstable currently (being worked on). In it's absence, this skin's really working for me, and highly stable.
I'm a coverflow fan... bug like the extra info popping up automatically etc... I slightly prefer Aeon's plain text home menu, but I can't stress enough how (for me), this skin is much more stable. The perfect skin for me would be a hybrid of this (Stability and some views), Aeon65 (Lowlist, Home Menu and showcase views) and Elipsis (attention to graphic detail, couple of their views).
There's not much to choose between them all. All damn fine, but stability will always be number one for me.