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- ekim232 - 2010-06-17 12:49
MarkTaunton Wrote:We are in the 21st Century people 3D is here once again, but looking much better now, get off your x-boxes or cheap ions and move on, the future is being held back due to some people, ok it is nice to be complient to all, but if you look at some of the pictures of home set ups or cinemas then they can afford a decent pc.
Maybe we need to have a decent spec level, this skin will work for the ZX81 etc
Thanks for reminding everyone of this AGAIN. I don't know where we would be headed without you....probably back to using VHS players. It is a good thing we have people like you who contribute zero, speak on matters you know nothing about, and try to see skins made fit to your order only.
Maybe you should just make one since you have it all figured out......Oh wait, you can't!!!! People like you make me want to stop contributing!!
- blacklist - 2010-06-17 12:55
MarkTaunton Wrote:If you have took the time to set up your home cinema or media properly, then why do you need where the file location is?
What good is it anyway, of where is this movie too?
The only place I have to disagree with you here is occasionally when a movie is mis-identified by a scraper, or I have a duplicate movie in the listing, its helpful to know what the original file name was without having to fire up explorer and go looking (for instance, a .sample getting left in a directory and getting scraped as a duplicate movie).
I know this is an outlying case, but it is a place where its helpful to me to see the original filename, if not the path.
Just Sayin.
- kryptonyte - 2010-06-17 13:45
MarkTaunton Wrote:I have to disagree with you to be honest, you are looking at something from an old XBMC skin point of view.
If you have took the time to set up your home cinema or media properly, then why do you need where the file location is?
What good is it anyway, of where is this movie too?
I shall once I buy more hard drives will have say Green Zone in Green Zone directory, so why do I need your file is located in Z:\Green Zone
From looking at the info screen, I would have to say the following
Play - Well maybe you can keep that one
Refresh - Being honest I have not tried this
Get Thumb - Probaly remove with third party software to create nfo's
Get fanart - the same as above
Trailer - obviously keep
Suggestions for improvement if possible
View cast, so it brings up another screen or similar with the faces of the people involved, view studio so brings up a list of their movies, maybe directors etc.
We are in the 21st Century people 3D is here once again, but looking much better now, get off your x-boxes or cheap ions and move on, the future is being held back due to some people, ok it is nice to be complient to all, but if you look at some of the pictures of home set ups or cinemas then they can afford a decent pc.
Maybe we need to have a decent spec level, this skin will work for the ZX81 etc
While you make some interesting points I would like to point out that 3D works just fine on Xbox and ION boxes. The weak pillar here is implementation. The power for 3D is there, it simply isn't being harnessed.
Another point is that most people aren't interested in fancy 3D eye candy where it isn't needed. I like a elegant and intuitive menu system that is pleasing to look at while still maintaining functionality. Everyone these days wants a plethora of eye candy with no underlying functionality which leads to disgruntled users. Take Apple for example, they enjoy making everything 'pretty' without any functionality or sense of open standards.
From a XBMC skinning point of view, the problem with too much customization will always plague us until we find a better way of catering to a diverse user group while keeping things from being slow. Look at Aeon, it is a great looking skin which will never go anywhere as it is plagued by over-customization. Half the ridiculous options go unused, yet the code for it all is still there, causing it to run piss poor on any low end machine.
This has gotten a little off topic, but as far as Shade is concerned it looks to be a promising skin. I haven't tried it yet, though I can only warn to stay away from the direction Aeon took with over-customization.
KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) is an ideal to strive for in this type of work. Options are nice as long as they are practical for a diversity. Catering to individual needs is work for the individual, not the group.
Oh and as far as scraping your media goes, use something like EMM or Media Companion and a well maintained system of organizing your media and all your headaches will go away. Following standards always helps in these situations. I will say ever since I started organizing my media into individual folders with the year in the folder name most of my scraping issues have disappeared.
If this post seems a like a rant then I apologize, sleep has not been a friend to be for some time and the effects are beginning to be apparent.
- MarkTaunton - 2010-06-17 21:43
ekim232 Wrote:Thanks for reminding everyone of this AGAIN. I don't know where we would be headed without you....probably back to using VHS players. It is a good thing we have people like you who contribute zero, speak on matters you know nothing about, and try to see skins made fit to your order only.
Maybe you should just make one since you have it all figured out......Oh wait, you can't!!!! People like you make me want to stop contributing!!
Ekim as I have always said it is excellent that everyone who can does, and big appaluase to them, but at the end of the day, if everyone said oh yes jolly well done, and did not give either negative or constructive critiscism towards a skin of the future of XBMC then we might as well head back towards the VHS.
People should skin for themselves, about what they are looking for, rather than what anyone else wants, but when someone asks for comments or suggestions, either good or bad, then people have to expect the good as well as the bad.
XBMC has moved on from the XBox now, which a lot of skins were aimed at, for the next year, couple of years, then there will always be one person who will use an XBox with older skins, but the skinning will make a vast improvement and move with the times.
Team Blackbolt have already set a new standard for skinning with Xperience, XBMC shall soon be hitting 10.5 thanks to all the great work by community members who have the knowledge to create this beautiful beast.
When Shade is released then I hope that a hell of a lot of people enjoy it, because it is both simple and also classy as well.
It is something more newer than the older skins, and hopefully the new skinners who are learning on older skins, become the future stars of tomorrow.
Comments, feedback and bug testing is also helping the community.
- igotdvds - 2010-06-17 22:53
Everyone please look here!!
http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=75821
- nickkarstedt - 2010-06-18 04:53
Your tv views are phenomenal! For movies, be sure to include a type of list view for large collections (That still shows all the info on the selected film, much like Confluence's Media Info views) I find that scrolling through tons of box art can become tiresome in large collections.
- igotdvds - 2010-06-18 17:00
nickkarstedt Wrote:Your tv views are phenomenal! For movies, be sure to include a type of list view for large collections (That still shows all the info on the selected film, much like Confluence's Media Info views) I find that scrolling through tons of box art can become tiresome in large collections.
Does this work?
![[Image: screenshot043m.png]](http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/3231/screenshot043m.png)
- igotdvds - 2010-06-18 22:09
New backgrounds for home screen. The color changes for each item.
![[Image: screenshot044s.png]](http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/8463/screenshot044s.png)
![[Image: screenshot046u.png]](http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/982/screenshot046u.png)
Recently Added turned off:
![[Image: screenshot047m.png]](http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/7084/screenshot047m.png)
![[Image: screenshot048k.png]](http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/8614/screenshot048k.png)
- MarkTaunton - 2010-06-18 23:04
Dont worry about background pictures, they are changable
You need just a basic screen. The skin is fantastic man, dont worry about graphics, the job is seriously done, there is nothing more you can add at the moment.
Release the thing and that is the gods honest truth
- igotdvds - 2010-06-18 23:07
MarkTaunton Wrote:Dont worry about background pictures, they are changable
You need just a basic screen. The skin is fantastic man, dont worry about graphics, the job is seriously done, there is nothing more you can add at the moment.
Release the thing and that is the gods honest truth
Thanks Mark, I am anxiously waiting for someone to help me finish up these graphics. I had one reply and I sent him a PM. I need some flags made and also the view images for each view when options is pulled up.
You're right, the Skin is feature complete for now, Addon support will come after official release as I havent even installed a new build lately.