Intel NUC - HTPC (Haswell Late 2013 edition)

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Nellgrove Offline
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(2014-05-06 15:17)axbmcuser Wrote:  I think your AVR is not affected by this issue.


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fritsch Offline
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Post: #3047
Onkyos have a "Postprocessing Setting" which needs to be turned off.

Here is a testimage:

[Image: graustufen-rgb-0-bis-10_172435.png]

or

[Image: fullrgb_test.jpg]

Is black black? Do you see all rows in the last one? (It's okay, when you don't see the top most three squares), but if a full line is missing - something is wrong.
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@fritsch

Question regarding the second blacklevel test image:

Although all my movie files seem now correct black level wise, i noticed that the above test image (i used the second one) looks correct while looking at the thumbnail in the file overview. (almost all squares are visible separately)

As soon as i launch the image to fullscreen, the image looks too dark. Is it possible that pictures are somehow rendered/processed differently hard-/software-wise than movies, so the image isn't correctly displayed while in fullscreen mode?
(This post was last modified: 2014-05-06 19:23 by axbmcuser.)
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fritsch Offline
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Post: #3049
What does mean "too dark"? Make a photo of your TV, please :-)

Also verify that black is black.
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I tried - not that easy to take good meaningful pictures:

[Image: black_levelst3lgd.jpg]

Black seems black. It's just badly crushed so many squares are missing in fullscreen.
(This post was last modified: 2014-05-07 10:21 by axbmcuser.)
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Enable the Option "Use Limited Range" - what happens now? Is black still black?

Provide: DISPLAY=:0 xrandr --verbose | pastebinit
(This post was last modified: 2014-05-06 19:50 by fritsch.)
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Sorry, will provide Debug Log before reposting my question..
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Man - provide debuglogs, nobody knows what you are running, what OS nothing ... that is annyoing.
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I test with a "limited rgb range only" lcd-tv

autostart.sh
Code:
xrandr --output HDMI1 --set "Broadcast RGB" "Full"
combined with
Code:
Use limited color range (16-235)
activated in settings.

Video-files look perfect black-level wise.

BTW: I have a slight memory that i already noticed some time ago that image files seemed to be processed differently than video files. Didn't gave too much thought in it since it was a old nightly and i didn't use pictures at that time.


DISPLAY=:0 xrandr --verbose (4.0 nightly r18348 from 2014.05.05, i can upgrade to 4.0 stable but i doubt that this changes something in this case)

Code:
Screen 0: minimum 8 x 8, current 1920 x 1080, maximum 32767 x 32767
HDMI1 connected 1920x1080+0+0 (0x48) normal (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 708mm x 398mm
        Identifier: 0x43
        Timestamp:  -763203693
        Subpixel:   unknown
        Gamma:      1.0:1.0:1.0
        Brightness: 1.0
        Clones:
        CRTC:       0
        CRTCs:      0 1 2
        Transform:  1.000000 0.000000 0.000000
                    0.000000 1.000000 0.000000
                    0.000000 0.000000 1.000000
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                40582c4500c48e2100001e011d801871
                1c1620582c2500c48e2100009e0000b5
        Broadcast RGB: Full
                supported: Automatic, Full, Limited 16:235
        audio: auto
                supported: force-dvi, off, auto, on
  1920x1080 (0x48) 148.500MHz +HSync +VSync *current +preferred
        h: width  1920 start 2448 end 2492 total 2640 skew    0 clock  56.25KHz
        v: height 1080 start 1084 end 1089 total 1125           clock  50.00Hz
  1920x1080 (0xa7) 148.500MHz +HSync +VSync
        h: width  1920 start 2008 end 2052 total 2200 skew    0 clock  67.50KHz
        v: height 1080 start 1084 end 1089 total 1125           clock  60.00Hz
  1920x1080 (0xa8) 148.352MHz +HSync +VSync
        h: width  1920 start 2008 end 2052 total 2200 skew    0 clock  67.43KHz
        v: height 1080 start 1084 end 1089 total 1125           clock  59.94Hz
  1920x1080i (0xa9) 74.250MHz +HSync +VSync Interlace
        h: width  1920 start 2008 end 2052 total 2200 skew    0 clock  33.75KHz
        v: height 1080 start 1084 end 1094 total 1125           clock  60.00Hz
  1920x1080i (0xaa) 74.250MHz +HSync +VSync Interlace
        h: width  1920 start 2448 end 2492 total 2640 skew    0 clock  28.12KHz
        v: height 1080 start 1084 end 1094 total 1125           clock  50.00Hz
  1920x1080 (0xab) 74.250MHz +HSync +VSync
        h: width  1920 start 2008 end 2052 total 2200 skew    0 clock  33.75KHz
        v: height 1080 start 1084 end 1089 total 1125           clock  30.00Hz
  1920x1080 (0xac) 74.250MHz +HSync +VSync
        h: width  1920 start 2448 end 2492 total 2640 skew    0 clock  28.12KHz
        v: height 1080 start 1084 end 1089 total 1125           clock  25.00Hz
  1920x1080 (0xad) 74.250MHz +HSync +VSync
        h: width  1920 start 2558 end 2602 total 2750 skew    0 clock  27.00KHz
        v: height 1080 start 1084 end 1089 total 1125           clock  24.00Hz
  1920x1080i (0xae) 74.176MHz +HSync +VSync Interlace
        h: width  1920 start 2008 end 2052 total 2200 skew    0 clock  33.72KHz
        v: height 1080 start 1084 end 1094 total 1125           clock  59.94Hz
  1920x1080 (0xaf) 74.176MHz +HSync +VSync
        h: width  1920 start 2008 end 2052 total 2200 skew    0 clock  33.72KHz
        v: height 1080 start 1084 end 1089 total 1125           clock  29.97Hz
  1920x1080 (0xb0) 74.176MHz +HSync +VSync
        h: width  1920 start 2558 end 2602 total 2750 skew    0 clock  26.97KHz
        v: height 1080 start 1084 end 1089 total 1125           clock  23.98Hz
  1280x720 (0xb1) 74.250MHz +HSync +VSync
        h: width  1280 start 1390 end 1430 total 1650 skew    0 clock  45.00KHz
        v: height  720 start  725 end  730 total  750           clock  60.00Hz
  1280x720 (0xb2) 74.250MHz +HSync +VSync
        h: width  1280 start 1720 end 1760 total 1980 skew    0 clock  37.50KHz
        v: height  720 start  725 end  730 total  750           clock  50.00Hz
  1280x720 (0xb3) 74.176MHz +HSync +VSync
        h: width  1280 start 1390 end 1430 total 1650 skew    0 clock  44.96KHz
        v: height  720 start  725 end  730 total  750           clock  59.94Hz
  1440x576i (0xb4) 27.000MHz -HSync -VSync Interlace
        h: width  1440 start 1464 end 1590 total 1728 skew    0 clock  15.62KHz
        v: height  576 start  580 end  586 total  625           clock  50.00Hz
  1440x480i (0xb5) 27.027MHz -HSync -VSync Interlace
        h: width  1440 start 1478 end 1602 total 1716 skew    0 clock  15.75KHz
        v: height  480 start  488 end  494 total  525           clock  60.00Hz
  1440x480i (0xb6) 27.000MHz -HSync -VSync Interlace
        h: width  1440 start 1478 end 1602 total 1716 skew    0 clock  15.73KHz
        v: height  480 start  488 end  494 total  525           clock  59.94Hz
  720x576 (0xb7) 27.000MHz -HSync -VSync
        h: width   720 start  732 end  796 total  864 skew    0 clock  31.25KHz
        v: height  576 start  581 end  586 total  625           clock  50.00Hz
  720x480 (0xb8) 27.027MHz -HSync -VSync
        h: width   720 start  736 end  798 total  858 skew    0 clock  31.50KHz
        v: height  480 start  489 end  495 total  525           clock  60.00Hz
  720x480 (0xb9) 27.000MHz -HSync -VSync
        h: width   720 start  736 end  798 total  858 skew    0 clock  31.47KHz
        v: height  480 start  489 end  495 total  525           clock  59.94Hz
  640x480 (0xba) 25.200MHz -HSync -VSync
        h: width   640 start  656 end  752 total  800 skew    0 clock  31.50KHz
        v: height  480 start  490 end  492 total  525           clock  60.00Hz
  640x480 (0xbb) 25.175MHz -HSync -VSync
        h: width   640 start  656 end  752 total  800 skew    0 clock  31.47KHz
        v: height  480 start  490 end  492 total  525           clock  59.94Hz
DP1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
        Identifier: 0x44
        Timestamp:  -763203693
        Subpixel:   unknown
        Clones:     HDMI2
        CRTCs:      0 1 2
        Transform:  1.000000 0.000000 0.000000
                    0.000000 1.000000 0.000000
                    0.000000 0.000000 1.000000
                   filter:
        Broadcast RGB: Automatic
                supported: Automatic, Full, Limited 16:235
        audio: auto
                supported: force-dvi, off, auto, on
HDMI2 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
        Identifier: 0x45
        Timestamp:  -763203693
        Subpixel:   unknown
        Clones:     DP1
        CRTCs:      0 1 2
        Transform:  1.000000 0.000000 0.000000
                    0.000000 1.000000 0.000000
                    0.000000 0.000000 1.000000
                   filter:
        Broadcast RGB: Automatic
                supported: Automatic, Full, Limited 16:235
        audio: auto
                supported: force-dvi, off, auto, on
VIRTUAL1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
        Identifier: 0x46
        Timestamp:  -763203693
        Subpixel:   no subpixels
        Clones:
        CRTCs:      3
        Transform:  1.000000 0.000000 0.000000
                    0.000000 1.000000 0.000000
                    0.000000 0.000000 1.000000
                   filter:
(This post was last modified: 2014-05-06 20:08 by axbmcuser.)
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(2014-05-06 06:45)macmus Wrote:  I have issues with Netflix APP for windows 8 when using Dolby 5.1. The whole movie slow downs and it becomes unteachable.

This is a known bug that Intel has not yet responded to, but there's a workaround: "While the Netflix app is running on the TV and a 5.1 DD+ audio track selected (i.e., with no sound output and skipping most video frames), go into the Speaker Setup configuration (right click on the Speakers icon, Playback Devices, select Intel Display Audio device, and click on Configure). Choose Stereo option and click Next a couple of times, followed by Finished." You'll get an error popup, but it will work.

Go on the Intel communities forum and complain. Most of us who have been bringing this up for months (since December) have given up.
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(2014-05-07 02:56)Taxcheat Wrote:  Go on the Intel communities forum and complain. Most of us who have been bringing this up for months (since December) have given up.

Thanks!

Why this is intel bug ? netflix cannot address that ?

I like addon for XBMC but this one does not have dolby Sad

Oh well .. i will have to keep chromcast for some time ..
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Wait, there's still the audio bug in Intel drivers? I thought this was only for BayTrail and not in Haswell.
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(2014-05-06 19:23)axbmcuser Wrote:  @fritsch

Question regarding the second blacklevel test image:

Although all my movie files seem now correct black level wise, i noticed that the above test image (i used the second one) looks correct while looking at the thumbnail in the file overview. (almost all squares are visible separately)

As soon as i launch the image to fullscreen, the image looks too dark. Is it possible that pictures are somehow rendered/processed differently hard-/software-wise than movies, so the image isn't correctly displayed while in fullscreen mode?

Just to confirm axbmcuser's observation, the test images look totally different in thumbnail (OK) and full screen (crushed blacks), which makes them a little difficult to use as test images! xbmc seems to be messing with the luminance when displaying pictures full screen, is this a known feature? This is with the sensible NUC RGB settings, i.e. X11 driver full RGB, xbmc setting 16-235, TV expecting limited range.
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It does not. Could be a known feature by your TV ... "optimizing Contrast" or something. Try xbmc Limited option unset and keep your hdmi on limited (remove the xrandr hack) and compare.
(This post was last modified: 2014-05-07 09:25 by fritsch.)
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(2014-05-07 09:25)fritsch Wrote:  It does not. Could be a known feature by your TV ... "optimizing Contrast" or something. Try xbmc Limited option unset and keep your hdmi on limited (remove the xrandr hack) and compare.

Good point fritsch, as you say it's probably the TV. Mine's a recent Panasonic LCD, what's yours xbmcuser? I'll experiment with xbmc full RGB, X11 limited RGB (though this will presumably mean it's doing the nasty stretch-then-shrink luminance operations), as well as TV settings, and report back if I discover anything that might be of use to anyone else. Though we're really splitting hairs here, basically the image looks lovely and everything is working great since the kernel XHCI bug was patched.
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