Trinity thoughts
#16
(2012-10-21, 19:56)ibramadhan Wrote: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/88584462/2012-10....45.37.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/88584462/2012-10....46.00.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/88584462/2012-10....46.18.jpg

Thats my current build, i love the case and i have the intest IR with my own custom bracket/stand, used with a harmony 700 works a treat....Cool

gonna use my old parts to upgrade my sons room cuz the raspi i have in there now is just a lil underpowered.

That the reason i wanna stick with the asrock cuz it has the CIR

Very nice case but very expensive also..to bad there are no FM2 socket ITX boards yet so I could go for the FC8 EVO witch is 100$ cheaper...
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#17
(2012-10-22, 17:20)dymphie Wrote: Very nice case but very expensive also..to bad there are no FM2 socket ITX boards yet so I could go for the FC8 EVO witch is 100$ cheaper...
How about this
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduc...=MB-102-AK
Also cant help but think that since AMD used a non retail part that underclocking may be an issue on Trinity.
So maybe the A8 5500 is the best bet.
Also having lived with this as my main PC now for some time why would you need more?

I have i7 and an i5 laptops and it seems faster than either by a fair margin.
And on top of this I have an i5 27inch mac which it 'feels' as fast as (at least).
Although video encoding IS faster on the mac but I now use the AMD for this as it is WAY cheaper to repair (should heavy workloads cause failure).

Regards,
Zyoos.
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#18
On my A8-3500 build under win & 64 bit I sometimes have crashes after the system goes to standby (I think this is a known issue). Does anybody know if the new Trinity chips are more stable under a win 64 environment?

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#19
(2012-10-23, 14:41)Gunserotti Wrote: On my A8-3500 build under win & 64 bit I sometimes have crashes after the system goes to standby (I think this is a known issue). Does anybody know if the new Trinity chips are more stable under a win 64 environment?

Well I have had mine on 24/7 and used it to download and view about 2TB of video and convert some of them (etc etc).
NEVER had a single crash so far.
The USB 3 actually works stable on this Trinity machine too (unlike my intel i5 Samsung Latop).
Oh and yes it is 64bit windows.

(Even the latest version of 64bit Ubuntu 12.10 worked - off topic I know).

Regards,

Zyoos
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#20
(2012-10-23, 14:41)Gunserotti Wrote: On my A8-3500 build under win & 64 bit I sometimes have crashes after the system goes to standby (I think this is a known issue). Does anybody know if the new Trinity chips are more stable under a win 64 environment?

I wonder if this is more of an AMD driver issue. My living room HTPC will do this sometimes and it's a Intel G530 with an AMD HD5450 GPU.
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#21
(2012-10-23, 15:17)Dougie Fresh Wrote:
(2012-10-23, 14:41)Gunserotti Wrote: On my A8-3500 build under win & 64 bit I sometimes have crashes after the system goes to standby (I think this is a known issue). Does anybody know if the new Trinity chips are more stable under a win 64 environment?

I wonder if this is more of an AMD driver issue. My living room HTPC will do this sometimes and it's a Intel G530 with an AMD HD5450 GPU.

Can't be all of them, I have been using an Acer 722 for about 6 months exclusively as an XBMC machine (set to trigger sleep when idle).
That is 64bit and has never crashed from sleep (that has probably been tested over 200 times).
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#22
(2012-10-21, 19:23)ibramadhan Wrote: ..........so the cost is not really an issue..........

If cost is not an issue then get an Ivybridge i5 with the HD4000, the GPU is not as good but more than good enough in an HTPC but the CPU is way better in every way (faster, cooler, more energy efficient)

David
HTPC1: Intel Pentium G620, 4GB RAM, AMD HD6570, Samsung 830 SSD, Silverstone GD05 case.
HTPC2: AMD Athlon II X2 255, 4GB RAM, AMD HD5450, Western Digital HDD, Silverstone ML03 case.
HTPC3: AMD E350, 4GB RAM, AMD HD6310, OCZ Agility 3 SSD, Akasa Crypto case.
Media Server: i3-3220, 8gb RAM, WHS 2011, 8tb capacity, Fractal Design ARC Midi R2 case.
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#23
(2012-10-23, 16:39)DavidT99 Wrote:
(2012-10-21, 19:23)ibramadhan Wrote: ..........so the cost is not really an issue..........

If cost is not an issue then get an Ivybridge i5 with the HD4000, the GPU is not as good but more than good enough in an HTPC but the CPU is way better in every way (faster, cooler, more energy efficient)

David

I think Intel graphics suck and AMD has the more sensible approach.
Intel graphics don't (with my TV (47LW450u)) give as good a picture.
My Trinity machine 'feels' as quick (quicker even) than most other computers I have used.
I think Trinity is better at keeping cool.
The energy efficiency comes down to the mobo and other bits. Sure the 100% CPU efficiency is lower but the most time I have spent at 100% was converting 12 episodes of high def mkv into mp4 for playstation (took about 3 hours) so it used 70watts extra instead of 40watts extra.
So maybe 5 or 6 cents instead of 4 (or 3.5pence instead of 2.4pence).
You forgot about noise - for whatever reason the A8 5500 seems to be happy with the fan on slowest speed regardless of what it is doing, as mentioned by someone else in this thread the computer is able to run (effectively) silent.

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#24
In what way do you think AMD has the more sensible approach, certainly not with their driver updates that fix bugs only to recreate them in a later version.

I have both AMD and Intel graphics in my HTPC's and can honestly say I see no difference in picture quality at all.

I think the A8 and A10's are quick but the A6 is slower than an Intel G630.

David
HTPC1: Intel Pentium G620, 4GB RAM, AMD HD6570, Samsung 830 SSD, Silverstone GD05 case.
HTPC2: AMD Athlon II X2 255, 4GB RAM, AMD HD5450, Western Digital HDD, Silverstone ML03 case.
HTPC3: AMD E350, 4GB RAM, AMD HD6310, OCZ Agility 3 SSD, Akasa Crypto case.
Media Server: i3-3220, 8gb RAM, WHS 2011, 8tb capacity, Fractal Design ARC Midi R2 case.
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#25
(2012-10-23, 18:35)DavidT99 Wrote: In what way do you think AMD has the more sensible approach, certainly not with their driver updates that fix bugs only to recreate them in a later version.

I have both AMD and Intel graphics in my HTPC's and can honestly say I see no difference in picture quality at all.

I think the A8 and A10's are quick but the A6 is slower than an Intel G630.

David

I have not had any issues with any of my AMD computers (E350, C-60 & A8 5500).
The picture quality on my Samsung RF511 is not as good as the AMD computers - that is all I can say on that score.
As for speed the A8 5500 at least is fast enough for me not to wish I had a faster processor - that is all I am saying regards speed.
I respect that my experience may not reflect those of others.
But based on the performance I had with the RF511 (and Q6600 which died) I 'decided' to steer clear of Intel for a while.
I don't do gaming so perhaps the bugs you speak of don't impact me - don't know.

Regards,

Zyoos
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#26
Has anyone found a comparison between 65W A6-5400K and 65W A10-5700? I was wondering about wattage, idle temps, temps playing movies, load wattage, load temps etc.

I would need to know how much psu I would need. I would like Blu-Ray, DVB-S2/T2 PCI-E card, SSD as boot and a second 2.5" HDD for recording live TV.

Does AMD's Linux driver still lack support for MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 profile 4.1+?

I would prefer A6 for HTPC, but maybe A10 for some light gaming. So kind of stuck there a bit with little to no information available!!
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#27
(2012-10-23, 20:44)tutu Wrote: Has anyone found a comparison between 65W A6-3600K and 65W A10-5700? I was wondering about wattage, idle temps, temps playing movies, load wattage, load temps etc.

I would need to know how much psu I would need. I would like Blu-Ray, DVB-S2/T2 PCI-E card, SSD as boot and a second 2.5" HDD for recording live TV.

Does AMD's Linux driver still lack support for MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 profile 4.1+?

I would prefer A6 for HTPC, but maybe A10 for some light gaming. So kind of stuck there a bit with little to no information available!!

There is this info
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+A6-3600+APU
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=...+APU&id=41
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=...+APU&id=12
Why not go for A8 5500
http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=139371
The power numbers quoted may be similar to the A10 5700
For the extra drive and TV card add 20watts should be safe.
So a 160watts pico should do it, I would guess.
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#28
Thanks but I only see A8. Also for the numbers to mean much they would need to be tested on same config. But I do not see that happening. Just have to rely on us!
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#29
I did find this:-
http://www.overclock.net/t/1279116/wccf-...benchmarks
You have to read deep into the thread to get an understanding of how Trinity seems to behave.
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#30
I would really like to see a comparison of all the 65W parts: A10-5700, A8-5500, A6-5400K and our old friend A6-3500.
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