openELEC moving from WORKGROUP (how?)
#16
(2013-01-15, 02:19)nickr Wrote: From the wiki:

Quote:Workgroup
You should set this as the same workgroup being used for the NAS and your LAN, as it is set-up via your router.

It is in the settings section "SMB Client" so I guess it is for connecting to external windows/samba servers. Frankly I have always left mine at the default, and when I browse to set up a video source, I always get all workgroups on my lan in the popup.
Except that it's completely irrelevant to my router. In fact, I've never seen a router with options for Workgroups (which might be my ignorance), and doesn't make any apparent difference to my ability to browse my SMB shares (but, as I've said above, I don't have any security on them, which might be relevant). So what is it doing?

Quote:If openelec has a (non xbmc) setting for workgroup for it's own client, then it should work and if it doesn't, it's a bug for openelec to solve - ie post there. If you are expecting the xbmc client setting to be carried over to the openelec server then I can see how this expectation might arise if you don't realise that the xbmc setting is a client setting.

It would be possible for clever people at openelec to query the xbmc client setting and place it in their own server setting file, pretty simple scripting task.
Yes, I agree entirely. I just don't have an account on the OpenELEC forum, so I can't go whinge over there. I was merely trying to give an answer covering all the options, and ended up with the same conclusion you've just posted too Smile

But this isn't relevant to the original question...
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#17
(2013-01-14, 21:00)wimble Wrote: I'm offered two workgroups: my genuine network workgroup, and "WORKGROUP"

I cant get this to work, i have a Windows Domain, it cant see this domain no matter what i do, however you mentioned something about "no security", in a Domain everything has security (unless its set to "everyone" or something else).


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#18
Does this help?

http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Use....2FCIFS.29
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#19
Hi

I am re-vising this as its not been cleared up...

RPi with OpenELEC in the VIDEOS menu then click..

files > add videos > browse > Windows network (SMB)

It shows "workgroup" it is not "browsing" the network at all, it sees itself and that's it, this is a bug, all settings for network should be controlled from the openELEC interface.

The setting that appears to need to be set it:
System settings > Services > SMB Client:
- Wins server (which is now no longer used as of Windows Server 2003 (10 years old))
- Workgroup

This appears to be a client to place this XBMC into a workgroup which doesnt work as WINS no longer exsist, its all DNS entries now (meaning XBMC / openELEC needs to register itself in to a DNS with the correct domain name)...

So the quesiton still stands (with out the need to SSH and turn on many other services) how do i get this software to "browse" Windows SMB domain / Workgroups?
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#20
Ive added a question on openELEC forum here

http://www.openelec.tv/forum/69-network/...-manuallly
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#21
I'm thinking it works for MOST people because most people don't have a full domain windows network at home. Maybe if you know so much about current windows networking you should contribute some code Smile
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(2013-03-22, 09:02)nickr Wrote: I'm thinking it works for MOST people because most people don't have a full domain windows network at home. Maybe if you know so much about current windows networking you should contribute some code Smile

Someone is going to need to do something with the code, i asked the question in the openELEC forum, and that thread has been closed by there administrator.

I changed the samba.conf and all settings match the SMB client in XBMC and now i cant see any workgroups / domains in XBMC, this is a bug, each side blaming each other (some how).

However they (openELEC) say they "might" put a GUI control (i assume in XBMC) for the SAMBA settings, what i dont understand is openELEC comes with XBMC so why are people blaming each other for parts not working.

I am not a programmer i am a network specialist, i can input to coding projects as to how items should work, this only works when there is a project manager who takes this information then forwards it to the correct programming division (which is what some of my work involves).

It seem XBMC is great for playing local files, when it comes to Networking on the Windows level its failed and is confirmed by openELEC closing a valid question with no follow up permitted.
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#23
When asking XBMC to browse the SMB network, what part of XBMC is asking what part of openELEC for details?

IIt appears openELEC classify XBMC as a client (and nothing to do with them, which to be honest if the first mistake as thats the whole point if openELEC).

openELEC say "SMB Client" (under Settings > Service) does nothing in XBMC other than a filter the network results, if this is so, then this setting needs to be questioned as i put a something in here that wasnt "WORKGROUP" and i will still getting WORKGROUP showing up so when browsing the SMB for vidoes, so that confirms this "filter" isnt working (according to openELEC).

If this SMB Client is only a filter then why does it have a WINS server setting, a filter wouldnt need this.

This eludes to this SMB Client setting doing nothing at all, if this is the case then what does XBMC do when you request it to search SMB networks?

My goal here is to get XBMC on openELEC to browse Windows networks as it supposed to, shooting me down for this wont help the project, i want to get this working.
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#24
(2013-03-22, 17:39)SFX Group Wrote: Someone is going to need to do something with the code, i asked the question in the openELEC forum, and that thread has been closed by there administrator.

The thread you posted in doesn't look closed to me, on the contrary they tried to help you.

For the record though, yes, it does look like the SMB client in OpenELEC XBMC is ignoring the workgroup name entered by the user in Settings, and only seems to find workgroups called WORKGROUP.
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#25
(2013-03-22, 17:57)MilhouseVH Wrote: The thread you posted in doesn't look closed to me, on the contrary they tried to help you.

The thread says "The administrator has disabled public write access." meaning i cant write any further information, the info they suggested hasnt worked, and they dont want to hear about it, aka = closed.

I didnt post here that the SAMBA didn’t work as it wasnt here that told me to use it. However the fact this problem has needed to bounce between 2 forums as its "2 parts" of a whole shows there is a huge bug and so far neither party has a fix for it, meaning there’s no fix on the horizon.

Enabling SAMBA with the workgroup name didn’t fix the problem, seems to have removed some functionality, before it was enabled i could at least "browse" the local machine, now i cant, at least that shows something is connect, however not fully working.

I am very happy to debug stuff while the coding guys want to hear about it, closing a thread shows otherwise...
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(2013-03-22, 18:45)SFX Group Wrote: The thread says "The administrator has disabled public write access." meaning i cant write any further information, the info they suggested hasnt worked, and they dont want to hear about it, aka = closed.

I just posted in the thread, seems open to me.
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(2013-03-22, 18:45)SFX Group Wrote: The thread says "The administrator has disabled public write access." meaning i cant write any further information, the info they suggested hasnt worked, and they dont want to hear about it, aka = closed.
Are you sure you are logged in? You get that message when browsing without a login.
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#28
(2013-03-22, 19:54)popcornmix Wrote: Are you sure you are logged in? You get that message when browsing without a login.

Hi

I now see the thread is open, this was not like that when i looked at it, and i was logged in.

UPDATE

I have updated the samba.conf file, using some network testing hardware i can see its publishing on the LAN as it should so far (machine name and LAN name), i am going to test more tonight / tomorrow.

This will confirm if the SAMBA part of openELEC is working from the OS to the LAN, however i still need to test the "XBMC Client" part of the OS to see if openELEC is pushing the SAMBA settings to XBMC,

>>> more later.
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#29
UPDATE

Working....

as an overview here, the SMB Client inside XBMC doesn't seem to have any bearing on the SAMBA settings (or anything inside XBMC either).

to get this XBMC in the same workgroup as your PC the below details need to be met (ive only tested this in a domain setup, however the same principles apply to workgroups).

DNS server needs to be the same server as given by the DHCP server that allocated the address to the XBMC (which will normally be correct for any home router, this means all your PCs and XBMC must look at the same DNS server onsite (not on the internet).

the SAMBA.CONF (located in the share Configfiles) should contain the below (these are the only 2 settings i changed).
- server string = xbmc.mynetwork
(note on the above, for domains this must be the FQDN (fully qualified domain name), so something like "xbmc.network.local"
- workgroup = mynetwork
(note on the above, for domains this would be the NETBIOS name, so in my case "network"

Once the above settings are done, when i use SMB to browse anything on the XBMC i see the whole domain automatically as it shows NETWORK, also i can see the XBMC showing up on all PCs / Servers in the domain as well.

Interestingly you will notice in the same samba.conf file these settings
preferred master = yes
domain master = yes
local master = yes

Unless openELEC contradicts this, it would indicate that openELEC is trying to elect itselt as a Browser Master (which is fine), however it means all machines on the network could be abit shky in showing up unless the samba.conf file is correctly configured (all machines ask the browser master to resolve there names, the master then answers, if that fails it uses other methods to resolve names, its way more complicated than that, but thats the basics, DNS plays a huge roll in name resolution as well for WIndows based networking).

I used the share to config these lines in the samba.conf files (not using Windows Notepad), The above does not address username and passwords, this is outside the remit of this thread.

I did notice a bug though, when in putting username / passwords for SMB shares it doesnt show in the boxes when they are typed, there blank, however the username / passwords are saved
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