2013-03-30, 21:50
Hey Devs! What's the future of set top boxes, XBMC & Cinavia? Can set top manufacturers be forced to include Cinavia on their hardware? If so what does that mean for XBMC and set top boxes? Just curious.
(2013-04-02, 02:27)Ned Scott Wrote: From what I read, there are no legal requirements to use it. Only players that actually license bluray officially have to comply. Since all our bluray stuff is unofficial reverse engineered libraries, we don't have to comply, nor do any Android or x86 set top boxes. Something like a Sigma XBMC set top box with bluray player might have to comply (as that would be a licensed BR player with XBMC, should it come to market), but even then it might only apply to playing from the actual optical drive, and not files.
This is just speculation on my part, though.
(2013-04-02, 20:40)jjd-uk Wrote: It's all very stupid as the people they are trying to stop who haven't purchased anything are generally tech savy enough to know not to use a licensed product with Cinavia, all it does is piss off the less tech savy majority who have purchased the disc and and simply want to rip it to a file for streaming to their PS3 or whatever.
(2013-04-02, 20:49)Tuxon86 Wrote: Yes, well there is the little problem of the DMCA in the USA that makes it illegal for you to break the encription on your media, which translate into no ripping. Not that I'm bothered one bit since I don't live in the USA and in any case no one is going to break your door down if you don't share your rip with no one.
Beside, if you have the disk why would you stream it to your PS3 instead of poping it in? I know I know, kids will scrap the disk... the dog will chew on it... But in the end the result is the same, that is, company will continue to enforce DRM on their product.
Yes it is a pain for the less tech savy, but they have the tech savy who rip and share on BT to thank for this. If people would just rent & rip and not rent, rip and share, cinavia wouldn't be a problem today.
(2013-04-02, 21:05)Ned Scott Wrote:(2013-04-02, 20:49)Tuxon86 Wrote: Yes, well there is the little problem of the DMCA in the USA that makes it illegal for you to break the encription on your media, which translate into no ripping. Not that I'm bothered one bit since I don't live in the USA and in any case no one is going to break your door down if you don't share your rip with no one.
Beside, if you have the disk why would you stream it to your PS3 instead of poping it in? I know I know, kids will scrap the disk... the dog will chew on it... But in the end the result is the same, that is, company will continue to enforce DRM on their product.
Yes it is a pain for the less tech savy, but they have the tech savy who rip and share on BT to thank for this. If people would just rent & rip and not rent, rip and share, cinavia wouldn't be a problem today.
Not really. I'm not saying piracy isn't a problem or not, but the solution here is one that punishes only the honest, but none of the dishonest. Cinavia is a problem because people try to force solutions that fundamentally don't solve the problem they were designed to solve.
(2013-04-02, 21:13)Tuxon86 Wrote: But it does slow down the process on the titles that support it, especially if the DVD is also using cinavia. Plenty of BR rip on the net bypass cinavia by using the DVD audio track. Once those are also watermark it does complicate matters.
I personnaly believe the future of media DRM is a Steam/Blizzard like authentification server, where your player will have to validate your copy before being able to play it. Yes it won't stop piratery completely but it will make the job more difficult and the rip less desirable. Will it stop it, no. Some people will never spend a dime if they can help it. But it will slow things down for a while.
(2013-04-02, 22:00)Ned Scott Wrote:(2013-04-02, 21:13)Tuxon86 Wrote: But it does slow down the process on the titles that support it, especially if the DVD is also using cinavia. Plenty of BR rip on the net bypass cinavia by using the DVD audio track. Once those are also watermark it does complicate matters.
I personnaly believe the future of media DRM is a Steam/Blizzard like authentification server, where your player will have to validate your copy before being able to play it. Yes it won't stop piratery completely but it will make the job more difficult and the rip less desirable. Will it stop it, no. Some people will never spend a dime if they can help it. But it will slow things down for a while.
Slow it down? Not at all. There's actually studies out there that say increasing DRM/restrictions increases piracy. ( http://static.arstechnica.net/2011/10/11...0668-1.pdf )
It won't make anything more difficult for pirates, because people who pirate don't play things back on DRM-enabled players. People who pirate movies don't do it so they can burn them to a disc and watch it on a normal DVD player, complete with unskippable warnings and sometimes ads.
When it comes to video and audio, historically speaking, DRM has been largely ineffective. A release group who wants to release a movie from a bluray or even a camrip can do so easily, and nothing exists today that can stop them. Meanwhile, the home user who's trying to rip a movie, so he can watch his legally owned movie on an iPad, gets an error message.