[MediaPi]

Published on Aug 21, 2013

Intel NUC 847 playing x264 10bit... dropping frames around 18Mbps. Excellent performance for a 150€ gadget.
posted by psycupratdi


I thought the NUC Celeron couldn't play Hi10p?

[PsychoRS]

Hi,

I'm the guy who recorded that video.

As you can see, 847 NUC can play Hi10p anime near-flawlessly.

In fact, the bigger part of those 100-1xx frames dropped that the video shows, are from the intro of the movie (Evangelion 3.33), that intro consist in real images of a beach, so NOT animation.

Got my NUC 3 days ago (I just recorded that video an hour after receiving the NUC from Amazon Spain). In that time I've tried a great selection of my Hi10p encoded anime, with no dropped frame in any episode. As I said, I'm only getting dropped frames with Evangelion 3.33, and in a very low quantity.

Bought the 847 for trying this cause I couldn't find anybody who have tried hi10p on the 847. Right now I'm seriously doubting about exchanging it for an i3... that's just 100€ more, but in the other hand, the 847 NUC can play what I want to play right now.

So, my answer is: YES, the 847 NUC can play Hi10p anime. But ONLY anime. I've tried a 10bit encode of Iron Man 3 but that's too much for the 847.

If you have any more questions or want me to do more test, don't hesitate to ask.


Edit: oh, I forgot to write down my config... here you have:

Intel NUC 847
2x4GB 1333MHz Crucial RAM
Latest OpenELEC Testing, Intel_x64 build
No SSD, PXE+NFS booting from my Synology DS212j. But the video was recorded before that, so the video is recorded from OpenELEC running in the live-install USB.

[jammyb]

This is going in the wiki!

[MediaPi]

Thankyou so much PsychoRS for joining the forum and providing further information. Also I wanted to know the name of the movie (Evangelion 3.33) . Definetly seems worth the money for the celeron, glad you posted the video. I hope you stay on the forums also check this thread

Intel NUC - HTPC possibilities
its the official NUC thread for XBMC (well kinda) and post your results on that thread

[PsychoRS]

Yeah, the movie is the BackBeard (an spanish fansub group) x264-hi10p release of Evangelion 3.33: You can (not) redo

[jammyb]

Can you update your video on YouTube as your Celeron NUC has Intel HD Graphics. Not HD4000.

[PsychoRS]

Done, thanks

[MediaPi]

I thought only anime took advantage of hi10p, does iron man have that format? I've been watching naruto shippiden and must the graphics in your movie are much better than naruto.

[PsychoRS]

Yes, Hi10p is mostly used in anime. But, in a private torrent tracker that I'm member of, another member just shared a Hi10p encoded version of Iron Man 3... and the 847 just struggled

But yes, Hi10p is not common in real-life movie releases... anime took more advantage of Hi10p benefits.

BTW... graphics on that movie are better than everything else in the anime world... is just Evangelion New Movie Edition by Studio Khara&Gainax... so much money in the production mate Evangelion NME saga is a top-notch in animation today. Just watch this AMV of the second movie of the saga:



That has nothing to do with 8 or 10bit encoding, is just that Evangelion animation is AWESOME It's, for a valid comparison, The Lord of The Rings of the anime world.

[MediaPi]

Dude your awesome! going to def follow the anime and MOV. I knew I was being unfair comparing a long running anime to a movie lol. Just when you used to the animation in the anime series then you forget the awesome artwork of the high budget movies.

Maybe that private tracker of urs will get more hi10p, you going to swap for the i3? and also you theirs a new haswell one coming in few weeks

[Ned Scott]

Bitrate is going to be a bigger factor here. I wouldn't declare the Celeron NUC "Hi10P anime friendly" without knowing more about the file it was playing back. Could you run it through MediaInfo (wiki) and tell us what it says?

[PsychoRS]

But at least, it's Hi10p anime friendly with all my hi10p anime library

Here is the mediainfo of the file seen on the youtube video:

Code:

General
Unique ID                                : 170768611274277026821098894060823436773 (0x8078D6945EDE56C49ACE7EE68ABADDE5)
Complete name                            : \\192.168.1.2\Almacenamiento\Media\Peliculas Anime\Evangelion 3.0\[BB] Evangelion 3.33 You Can (Not) Redo [BD 1080p FLAC] [E739F079].mkv
Format                                   : Matroska
Format version                           : Version 4 / Version 2
File size                                : 6.19 GiB
Duration                                 : 1h 35mn
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 9 272 Kbps
Encoded date                             : UTC 2013-06-03 00:01:09
Writing application                      : mkvmerge v6.0.0 ('Coming Up For Air') built on Jan 20 2013 09:52:00
Writing library                          : libebml v1.3.0 + libmatroska v1.4.0
Attachment                               : Yes / Yes

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High [email protected]
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames                : 16 frames
Codec ID                                 : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration                                 : 1h 35mn
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 814 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 2.35:1
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 24.000 fps
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 10 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Writing library                          : x264 core 128 r2216kMod 198a7ea
Encoding settings                        : cabac=1 / ref=16 / deblock=1:-1:-2 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=10 / psy=1 / fade_compensate=0.00 / psy_rd=1.10:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=32 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=0 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=12 / lookahead_threads=2 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=16 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=24 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=80 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=14.0000 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=81 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=3:1.00
Language                                 : Spanish
Default                                  : Yes
Forced                                   : Yes

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : FLAC
Format/Info                              : Free Lossless Audio Codec
Codec ID                                 : A_FLAC
Duration                                 : 1h 35mn
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Channel(s)                               : 6 channels
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Writing library                          : libFLAC 1.2.1 (UTC 2007-09-17)
Language                                 : Japanese
Default                                  : Yes
Forced                                   : Yes

Text
ID                                       : 3
Format                                   : ASS
Codec ID                                 : S_TEXT/ASS
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Sub Station Alpha
Compression mode                         : Lossless
Language                                 : Spanish
Default                                  : Yes
Forced                                   : Yes

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Bitrate in anime isn't as high as in live action movies. Of course the 847 can't do anything with a Hi10p-30Mbps file... but that is soooo strange to find in anime material. At least in spanish fansubbed anime material.

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Ned Scott, if you need more info/test, you can provide me some test file and I will try without problems and record a video

[PsychoRS]

Another video I just recorded:



GunBuster BDRip, 960x720 Hi10p. Flawless play...

Here is the mediainfo of the file:

Code:

Complete name                            : \\192.168.1.2\Almacenamiento\Media\Anime\Top wo Nerae! Gunbuster\[BB] Gunbuster 1x01 [BDRip 720p] [97F1E5EE].mkv
Format                                   : Matroska
Format version                           : Version 4 / Version 2
File size                                : 736 MiB
Duration                                 : 25mn 11s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 4 082 Kbps
Encoded date                             : UTC 2013-05-04 07:42:36
Writing application                      : mkvmerge v6.0.0 ('Coming Up For Air') built on Jan 20 2013 09:52:00
Writing library                          : libebml v1.3.0 + libmatroska v1.4.0
Attachment                               : Yes / Yes

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High [email protected]
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames                : 16 frames
Codec ID                                 : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration                                 : 25mn 11s
Width                                    : 960 pixels
Height                                   : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 4:3
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 23.976 fps
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 10 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Writing library                          : x264 core 129 r2245 bc13772
Encoding settings                        : cabac=1 / ref=16 / deblock=1:1:1 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=umh / subme=10 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.10:0.10 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=32 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=0 / chroma_qp_offset=-3 / threads=8 / lookahead_threads=1 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=0 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=16 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=23 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=50 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=17.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=81 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:0.70
Default                                  : Yes
Forced                                   : No

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : FLAC
Format/Info                              : Free Lossless Audio Codec
Codec ID                                 : A_FLAC
Duration                                 : 25mn 11s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Channel(s)                               : 6 channels
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Writing library                          : libFLAC 1.2.1 (UTC 2007-09-17)
Language                                 : Japanese
Default                                  : Yes
Forced                                   : No

Text
ID                                       : 3
Format                                   : ASS
Codec ID                                 : S_TEXT/ASS
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Sub Station Alpha
Compression mode                         : Lossless
Language                                 : Spanish
Default                                  : Yes
Forced                                   : No

[MediaPi]

Awesome PsychoRS, Just a question no dening its flawless playback but the file size and resolution are really low, this makes it an easy challenge for the NUC, doesnt it? I want to see a bigger file with the highest resolution. I also thought hi10p is one step better than 1080p so how come this sd is in hi10p, what benefit is their to rip it in hi10p?

[jammyb]

What is Hi10P?

In really basic terms, more data is used to define color which means there is less banding for a smaller file size. It's an H.264 profile which uses 10 bits of information to represent color. It's a huge improvement because there is less file size, which in the long run saves bandwidth.

Advantages
Significantly higher compression ratios resulting in vastly decreased file sizes. In return, a huge amount of bandwidth is saved.
Far more information is preserved from the original, removing such issues as banding and poor detail in dark scenes.
Less things for the encoder to worry about.

Disadvantages
Slower decoding and encoding.
No support for DXVA or CUDA as of writing.
Slight compatibility issues with older devices during playback.

The first stable version with Hi10P support is XBMC v12 (Frodo).