2014-02-02, 11:22
(2014-02-01, 10:19)jmarshall Wrote: I'd suggest using MBID when it makes sense to do so (i.e. it's on MB) and not using it when not.
XBMC does not require it to be there. If you have an artist in your database with MBID already set and a song comes along from the same artist without MBID set, then it'll use the MBID for that artist. Same applies to albums. Similarly, if you have an artist in your database without MBID and a song comes along from the same artist with MBID set, then that artist will now have an MBID.
The only case you get problems are multiple (different) MBIDs for the same artist or album.
Cheers,
Jonathan
Ah, we are comming closer to a possible solution. What you are saying is, that albums with songs having no MB-IDs will not be separated but listet under the same artist together with the other albums consisting of songs that do have a MB ID if the "Album Artists"-tag shows the same name. Only if they have different MB-IDs they will get split, even if the Album Artist-tag shows the same name. Is that correct? Comming back to my examples this would mean:
No 1: Tag the files with Picard to have MB IDs for the album artist "Camouflage" and the respective albums
No 2: Just tag the files with the same Album Artist-Name, but no MB-IDs
No 3: Just tag the files with the same Album Artist-Name, but no MB-IDs (or tag them with Picard to also have MB-IDs?)
No 4: Just tag the files with the same Album Artist-Name, but no MB-IDs
And all albums above and their respective songs would be listed under the same artist named "Camouflage". The artist would have biographies (taken from Musicbrainz) and the albums of case no 1. would even show album information (taken from Musicbrainz). Is that correct?
No.5: Tag the files with Picard to have MB IDs for this sampler
No 6: Just tag the files with the same Album Artist-Name ("Various Artists"), but no MB-IDs
And all albums above and their respecitve songs would be listed under the same artist name "Various Artists" (or under "Samplers"). Various Artists would probably show no biography, but the album of case no. 5 would show the album information. Ist that correct?
Therefor conclusion would be: Do not tag single files with MB-IDs, only complete albums that have the "original" setup. Leave the other songs with no MB IDs (even if the single song could be recognized).
And that results in: You only have MB IDs in songs of your "original" albums and no MB IDs in songs of selfmade-compilations or other "problematic sceanarios" (like the ones I mentioned).
(2014-02-01, 20:58)Rovastar Wrote: I had a look at these files. I am no expert on the new XBMP (I'll always refer to it as that too old school) system and the scraping but I think I do know MusicBrainz fairly well.
For the Camouflage ones.
I see all the "MusicBrainz Artist Id"s as the same bc6b7d82-1d7b-4f48-b742-d32936f5d5c9 apart from those 2 tracks that you have chosen not to assign any MB tags to (i found them easily in the database so not sure why you could not find them)
You have assigned one of the tracks to a Various Artist compilation so the
"MusicBrainz Release Artist Id" is different in this case for this one track. i.e. the album artist
I am not sure how the devs are using MB artist id tags "MusicBrainz Artist Id" vs "MusicBrainz Release Artist Id" but it could explain the difference here. Maybe that is something to look at but it depends on your behaviour of your app do you want to look at the album artist tag or the art tag?
All the others the explanations seem straight forward.
Hi Rovastar, thanks for your reply as well. You are saying that two of my files do not have MB ID at all (though you might have found them at musicbrainz). Well, I used Picard and pressed "cluster", then "lookup" and for the remaing files "scan". But it seems it did not get me IDs for those two files. However, following Jonathan's statement those two files should be listed under same "Camouflage".artist like the ones with the correct MB IDs because they do not have a conflict MB ID but the same Album Artist-tag. You are also saying I only had one Camouflage-song with a MB ID referring to the Album Artist "Various Artists" (though the "Album Artist"-tag definitly said "Camouflage"). That probably occured because Picard took the respective ID from a sampler, not an official album. Following Jonathans statement this is a conflict MB ID and therefore would be listed separately. But both entries' names would still be taken from their tag-fields for "Album Artist" (not form their MB IDs). So this would give me two artists named "Camouflage" in my database then, But why did I actually get four(!) of them?
I am still puzzled and not sure if this can be handled easily by everyone.
Brgds,
FantasticN