[LINUX/MAC/WINDOWS] MPlayer porting to XBMC for Linux/Mac/Windows?

I think the whole thread issue was lost here, we basically had a guy asking about some various filtering and post processing, and I just went back and watched the same video on my xbox and linux xbmc and you can really tell the difference. now with that said, with xbmc linux being said its alpha and people screaming for mplayer type of support or a wrapper what gives ?

and what is dvdplayer? I have hard of ffmpeg, vlc, mplayer but not dvdplayer? is it easier to implement? Does it have all the snazzy filtering and post processing mplayer has?

anyhow.... just curious asking questions, I know the dev's get mad when you ask questions that go against what they are planning..

Quote:we had the option to switch to an experimintal player

Hey, this sounds fine and usefull to me. Why was such an option dropped? This entire discussion would be useless, if we have the option - for people who want it - to start an external player application.

Just my two cents here

Isn't the whole XBMC-linux almost experimental as of now

I'd say it's better for now to just strengthen one and give that one good stability.

Anyone who replies to this topic thread should first start by reading all the previous questions and answers in this topic thread. You guys keep asking the same questions over and over again, ...if you just bothered to read what others have posted before you then you would know the answers already! I'm starting to get pi**ed off so the next person who ask something that have clearly already been answered just mifght get themself a wanring and a 10-day timeout from posting in this forum!

gateway69 Wrote:now with that said, with xbmc linux being said its alpha and people screaming for mplayer type of support or a wrapper what gives?

XBMC for Linux is still classified by us as PRE-ALPHA actually:
http://www.xbmc.org/wiki/?title=Linux_port_project

Quote:Note to XBMC end-users! Please understand that this Linux port project is not yet mature enough for a regular end-user to play with. We can not yet give you an ETA as to when it will be useful for end-users. Respect that we can not accept any bug-reports or feature/function-requests for this Linux port yet, nor do we offer support to end-users. If you are an end-user and have any general questions or need to get something off your chest about this then please direct that towards the existing XBMC Linux port end-user discussion topic-thread in our community-forum. If, however, you are a developer or have Linux expertise, we encourage you to keep reading to find out how you can help.

gateway69 Wrote:and what is dvdplayer? I have hard of ffmpeg, vlc, mplayer but not dvdplayer? is it easier to implement? Does it have all the snazzy filtering and post processing mplayer has?

DVDPlayer is Team-XBMC's own made video player core, (based on FFmpeg).
http://www.xboxmediacenter.com/wiki/?title=DVDPlayer
More detailed information is available here:
http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=10216

the bool setting that let you load an alternative mplayer-dll back in the days... has fuck all to do with anything. read, understand what we have written and if you're not capable of that, just accept it.

alternatively supply a patch but stop reiterating the same things over and over again - that's what makes us angry not ppl questioning our decisions.

Ok guys, I can say pretty much for sure, that their was a person really looking to help in this project but with the attitudes floating around here (btw I saw the same thing when the fight with even suggesting a port in the first place started) he doesn't want to work with a group that is sort of closed off avenues to other options. BTW this person knows his shit, and has written many decoders for projects I can't mention.

With alpha or i would call this pre-alpha you should still be looking at alternatives, while their is a clear path with dvd player now, you might come to a point where things cant be put into dvd player or that other more mature players can handle and have had the man hours to figure it out. I personally use ffmpeg to encode alot and have seen that as a player its not the best on the market but with that said at least dvd player is based upon this which is good.

I think this constant bickering is useless from a developer and user stand point, and let me say it again I think everyone here appreciates the work being done, but I think their are also a lot of very smart people on this form that can some times look outside of the box and look in and see that maybe potentially using something like dvdplayer will lead to a dead end or require a lot more work in the future than it would of been to look at something else (lots of optimizations, filters, post processing, the way codecs and decoded etc)

Yes I have been around a long time watching mostly from the outside but this one struck something personal and I know for sure someone that has the skills to take things to the next level doesn't want to work with a team strikes out like that. How ever I also want to state being a developer I do realize that getting asked the same thing over and over can be annoying but some times you need to stop and think, why is this question being asked over and over and is it a better choice.

Ill stop this rant, but I think everyone needs to lighten up a bit, enjoy the work being done and also work with other potential people that would be willing to work with a team.

The developers are skeptical of endusers coming into the forums and suggesting major backend changes with no plans to do anything to assist, and rightfully so. They have focused goals and are working to accomplish them. But as we've seen with the OSX port they are extremely welcoming to new developers.

Know that XBMC has a very flexible dynamic loader system ("the DLL loader") that can in theory load any open source software player that is ported to use it, nothing is impossible, ...it only depends if a programmer if willing has the skill and is willing to spend the time required on any one specific player (without getting paid for it). It has already been explained previously in this topic thread why exactly MPlayer in particular is not designed to work 'as is' with XBMC in an acceptable way and would thus need major reconstruction to its code (again, what is needed time and enough interest from a volunteering skilled programmer, ...and again, that person would not get paid for his time).
http://www.xboxmediacenter.com/wiki/?tit...DLL_Loader
http://www.xboxmediacenter.com/wiki/?tit..._Libraries
http://www.xboxmediacenter.com/wiki/?tit...it_a_patch

I do not agree that we, Team-XBMC, as a group are more "closed off" than any other open source development project, we have always more than welcomed new developers and we will always continue to do so, ...it is just that we have been 'burned' on more than one occasion, you see, when a person have come to us and promised all the gold at the end of the rainbow if only that person gets to officially join the team to see what goes on 'backstage', then once that person been welcomed in to join our team that said person have ended up delivered absolutely nothing, (so all mouth and no action). In the end we had to set a simple rule so that no one get to officially join Team-XBMC until he or she has first delivered proof that they are willing to commit to XBMC development and actually actively contribute to the project and the team. Please, follow these links and do some reading if you are interested in joining and the history on why we have the selection process that we do today:
http://www.xboxmediacenter.com/wiki/?tit...pment-Team
http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=3184
If you like to contribute to the XBMC project without joining Team-XBMC that is fine as well.

IMHO if a person says that they are not willing to contribute to XBMC because of a few individual attitudes and opinions then that person is probably just another one of those; "all mouth and no action" type of person, (since those attitudes and opinions that we as individuals express does not always express the official attitude and opinion of the whole Team-XBMC and The XBMC Project. Remember that we are only human and can all have a bad day or week). So I say step-up and prove your willingness, or be quiet if you are not willing to contribute, but then you have no right to complain or whine.
http://www.xboxmediacenter.com/wiki/?tit..._manifesto

Ask not what XBMC can do for you, but what you can do for XBMC!

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Ok guys, I can say pretty much for sure, that their was a person really looking to help in this project but with the attitudes floating around here (btw I saw the same thing when the fight with even suggesting a port in the first place started) he doesn't want to work with a group that is sort of closed off avenues to other options. BTW this person knows his shit, and has written many decoders for projects I can't mention.

WAHHAHA. omgf. thanks for the laugh. is it santa?

Dont get me wrong sounds great... but also a touch to good to be true. Half the features you see are because developers want them and see them as beneficial to users not the other way round. So as for open avenues if adding stuff thats beneficial then i cannot think of 1 developer on the team that would say no.

So ive come to the conclusion that yes... it must be Santa. or it could be the telesales guy.

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