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Is there a stand-alone media manager software application for music that suits XBMC?
#16
azido Wrote:- stlye/mood/theme/review/type/releasedate/label

which are not part of id-tagging but can be displayed by modern xbmc skins when available in artist.nfo and album.nfo; not all of them make really sense, but some like bio and review do.

Actually I think that each of those things can be contained within an MP3 file. I use Media Monkey to add each of those (except mood and style are the same and I can't remember if there's a review section, but there's at least a notes section) and it appends that information without creating any extra files. I think you just need a skinner to figure out how to gather and display that information.
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#17
azido Wrote:go to www.htbackdrops.com and verify if one of your scraped artists has a fanart available there. this is the source for scraping music fanart.

Yeah but the question is: is it possible to get the fanart automatically?

Before yesterday, I was using MediaStream and no without fanart. When I switched to Aeon Stark and wanted to enable fanart view, I had do it manually (right click -> artist information -> fanart -> select).

The artist information works fine but not the thumbs/fanart.
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#18
enable fetch artist info in music settings, press info on artist and wait.
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#19
rausch101 Wrote:Actually I think that each of those things can be contained within an MP3 file. I use Media Monkey to add each of those (except mood and style are the same and I can't remember if there's a review section, but there's at least a notes section) and it appends that information without creating any extra files. I think you just need a skinner to figure out how to gather and display that information.

got you.. on the other hand, once you have an nfo file (which actually is already created by xbmc when exporting music database in seperate files), it's freakin' easy to get that stuff displayed in a skin. you can create labels/textboxes and read data with the Listitem command, like i.e.

<label>Listitem.review</label>

which is btw already supported by some skins
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as you can see Smile

so, today we have many media managers that take care of the video nfo editing/generating, but none of them for music nfos. makes me sad.. the lack of interest in creating such a manager might be the lack of usage of skins that supports displaying music nfos, though when checking the forum there are many users i.e. using aeon auriga and it's mods. even PMIII HD does already display that stuff, but not that compact on one screen..

maybe i'm just too early with my question. i'm quite sure we'll get such a nice tool for music related nfos, too.. ppl will ask for it as soon as many/all of the skins support more informative page displays on music library and the "stable/official" xbmc download includes today's SVN-version features.
cheers,azido :;):
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#20
Lailendil Wrote:Yeah but the question is: is it possible to get the fanart automatically?

yes. scrape for an artist at allmusic or discogs. both scrapers check htbackdrops.com for an avialable backdrop and download a fanart if there is some.

Quote:Before yesterday, I was using MediaStream and no without fanart. When I switched to Aeon Stark and wanted to enable fanart view, I had do it manually (right click -> artist information -> fanart -> select).
do as above and you should be fine. btw: this would be another benefit of a music manager... getting fanart for artists AND albums (yes, they can be displayed, too) from anywhere and putting them into the right places so xbmc reads them when populating the database.
cheers,azido :;):
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#21
azido Wrote:not sure what that should do in my userdata, since it's library based stuff Wink maybe i do not understand you here..

xbmc already generates that nfos (honestly that's where i have those additional information tags from) when exporting music database to separate files.

OK, then they are already supported by xbmc.Nod

BTW Your library is in your userdata, see:
XBMC\UserData\Database\MyMusic7.db
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#22
Waffa Wrote:BTW Your library is in your userdata, see:
XBMC\UserData\Database\MyMusic7.db

yeah, that came into my mind after answering, too. didn't know if you mean the library or just a folder for storing such information in.. Smile
cheers,azido :;):
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#23
Hey azido, those additional info's do you grap them from the same site where xbmc scrape the info from ?
If so, then needs xbmc music scraper an update so it will srape the additional info's.
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#24
Waffa Wrote:Hey azido, those additional info's do you grap them from the same site where xbmc scrape the info from ?
If so, then needs xbmc music scraper an update so it will srape the additional info's.

depends. not all artists have much info stored in their entries. that's not a scraper problem, it's moreof a question if your desired artist is featured well on allmusic/discogs. normally, i try allmusic first, then discogs, and if they both fail in having bio/album reviews, i manually add them after exporting database.

that's in fact the biggest reason i'd like to see an external app managing that nfos.. the ability to scrape/edit that stuff in "one go".
cheers,azido :;):
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#25
I'll have to second that request. Looking for the exact same thing here.

Some app to manage music NFOs to use with XBMC. Preferrably cross-platform.
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#26
stokedfish Wrote:I'll have to second that request. Looking for the exact same thing here.

Some app to manage music NFOs to use with XBMC. Preferrably cross-platform.

Music support will be in UMC, as well as movies and tv shows and more.

What could help us is if someone came up with all the details they can find about the xbmc .nfo files for music (field list, xml example, file/folder names) pretty much any of that data. Last I checked the .nfo files for music where just links to where the data was at, but it's been awhile so it's prob changed.
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#27
Here is an example when export music.db

PHP Code:
<musicdb>  
  <
artist>
        <
name>Dire Straits</name>
        <
genre>Pop/Rock</genre>
        <
style>Pop/Rock</style>
        <
style>Album Rock</style>
        <
style>Rock &ampRoll</style>
        <
mood>Relaxed</mood>
        <
mood>Searching</mood>
        <
mood>Reflective</mood>
        <
mood>Laid-BackMellow</mood>
        <
mood>Restrained</mood>
        <
mood>Nocturnal</mood>
        <
mood>Wistful</mood>
        <
mood>Smooth</mood>
        <
mood>Literate</mood>
        <
mood>Calm/Peaceful</mood>
        <
mood>Bittersweet</mood>
        <
mood>Plaintive</mood>
        <
mood>Cerebral</mood>
        <
mood>Earnest</mood>
        <
mood>Melancholy</mood>
        <
mood>Autumnal</mood>
        <
mood>Street-Smart</mood>
        <
mood>Gentle</mood>
        <
mood>Organic</mood>
        <
mood>Poignant</mood>
        <
mood>Somber</mood>
        <
yearsactive>1910</yearsactive>
        <
born></born>
        <
formed>1977 in LondonEngland</formed>
        <
instruments></instruments>
        <
biography>...........</biography>
        <
died></died>
        <
disbanded>1995</disbanded>
        <
thumbs>&lt;thumbs&gt;&lt;thumb&gt;http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/pic200/drp100/p119/p11974g5i9k.jpg&lt;/thumb&gt;&lt;thumb&gt;http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/pic200/drP100/P119/P11974G5I9K.jpg&lt;/thumb&gt;&lt;thumb&gt;http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/pic200/drP100/P119/P11982NXS22.jpg&lt;/thumb&gt;&lt;thumb&gt;http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/pic200/drP100/P119/P11981N3HD9.jpg&lt;/thumb&gt;&lt;thumb&gt;http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/pic200/drP100/P119/P11980PN24N.jpg&lt;/thumb&gt;&lt;thumb&gt;http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/pic200/drP100/P119/P11979KF11A.jpg&lt;/thumb&gt;&lt;thumb&gt;http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/pic200/drP100/P119/P11978R5JYM.jpg&lt;/thumb&gt;&lt;thumb&gt;http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/pic200/drP100/P119/P11977G01XE.jpg&lt;/thumb&gt;&lt;thumb&gt;http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/pic200/drP100/P119/P11976XG8TO.jpg&lt;/thumb&gt;&lt;thumb&gt;http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/pic200/drP100/P119/P11975MWO9C.jpg&lt;/thumb&gt;&lt;thumb&gt;http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/pic200/drP000/P037/P03759Q28G0.jpg&lt;/thumb&gt;&lt;/thumbs&gt;&lt;thumbs&gt;&lt;thumb&gt;http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/pic200/drp100/p119/p11974g5i9k.jpg&lt;/thumb&gt;&lt;thumb&gt;http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/pic200/drP100/P119/P11974G5I9K.jpg&lt;/thumb&gt;&lt;thumb&gt;http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/pic200/drP100/P119/P11982NXS22.jpg&lt;/thumb&gt;&lt;thumb&gt;http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/pic200/drP100/P119/P11981N3HD9.jpg&lt;/thumb&gt;&lt;thumb&gt;http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/pic200/drP100/P119/P11980PN24N.jpg&lt;/thumb&gt;&lt;thumb&gt;http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/pic200/drP100/P119/P11979KF11A.jpg&lt;/thumb&gt;&lt;thumb&gt;http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/pic200/drP100/P119/P11978R5JYM.jpg&lt;/thumb&gt;&lt;thumb&gt;http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/pic200/drP100/P119/P11977G01XE.jpg&lt;/thumb&gt;&lt;thumb&gt;http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/pic200/drP100/P119/P11976XG8TO.jpg&lt;/thumb&gt;&lt;thumb&gt;http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/pic200/drP100/P119/P11975MWO9C.jpg&lt;/thumb&gt;&lt;thumb&gt;http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/pic200/drP000/P037/P03759Q28G0.jpg&lt;/thumb&gt;&lt;/thumbs&gt;&lt;thumbs&gt;&lt;thumb&gt;http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/pic200/drp100/p119/p11974g5i9k.jpg&lt;/thumb&gt;&lt;thumb&gt;http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/pic200/drP100/P119/P11974G5I9K.jpg&lt;/thumb&gt;&lt;thumb&gt;http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/pic200/drP100/P119/P11982NXS22.jpg&lt;/thumb&gt;&lt;thumb&gt;http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/pic200/drP100/P119/P11981N3HD9.jpg&lt;/thumb&gt;&lt;thumb&gt;http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/pic200/drP100/P119/P11980PN24N.jpg&lt;/thumb&gt;&lt;thumb&gt;http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/pic200/drP100/P119/P11979KF11A.jpg&lt;/thumb&gt;&lt;thumb&gt;http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/pic200/drP100/P119/P11978R5JYM.jpg&lt;/thumb&gt;&lt;thumb&gt;http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/pic200/drP100/P119/P11977G01XE.jpg&lt;/thumb&gt;&lt;thumb&gt;http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/pic200/drP100/P119/P11976XG8TO.jpg&lt;/thumb&gt;&lt;thumb&gt;http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/pic200/drP100/P119/P11975MWO9C.jpg&lt;/thumb&gt;&lt;thumb&gt;http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/pic200/drP000/P037/P03759Q28G0.jpg&lt;/thumb&gt;&lt;/thumbs&gt;</thumbs>
        
<path>smb://LKGAA15D3/DISK 1/Muziek/Dire Straits/</path>
        
<fanart url="http://www.htbackdrops.com/">
            <
thumb preview="data/thumbnails/1/dire_straits.jpg">data/media/1/dire_straits.jpg</thumb>
            <
thumb preview="data/thumbnails/1/dire_straits2.jpg">data/media/1/dire_straits2.jpg</thumb>
            <
thumb preview="data/thumbnails/1/dire_straits3.jpg">data/media/1/dire_straits3.jpg</thumb>
            <
thumb preview="data/thumbnails/1/Dire_Straits.jpg">data/media/1/Dire_Straits.jpg</thumb>
            <
thumb preview="data/thumbnails/1/Dire_Straits2.jpg">data/media/1/Dire_Straits2.jpg</thumb>
        </
fanart>
        <
album>
            <
title>Dire Straits</title>
            <
year>1978</year>
        </
album>
        <
album>
            <
title>Communiqué</title>
            <
year>1979</year>
        </
album>
        <
album>
            <
title>Making Movies</title>
            <
year>1980</year>
        </
album>
        <
album>
            <
title>Love Over Gold</title>
            <
year>1982</year>
        </
album>
        <
album>
            <
title>AlchemyDire Straits Live</title>
            <
year>1984</year>
        </
album>
        <
album>
            <
title>Brothers in Arms</title>
            <
year>1985</year>
        </
album>
        <
album>
            <
title>On Every Street</title>
            <
year>1991</year>
        </
album>
        <
album>
            <
title>On the Night [live]</title>
            <
year>1993</year>
        </
album>
        <
album>
            <
title>On the NightEncores [live]</title>
            <
year>1993</year>
        </
album>
        <
album>
            <
title>Love Over Gold [4 Tracks]</title>
            <
year>2000</year>
        </
album>
        <
album>
            <
title>Sultans of SwingLive in Germany</title>
            <
year>2009</year>
        </
album>
    </
artist>
</
musicdb
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#28
Waffa Wrote:Here is an example when export music.db

and here goes the one for album aswell (album.nfo):

Code:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="yes" ?>
<album>
    <title>eMOTIVe</title>
    <artist>A Perfect Circle</artist>
    <genre>Alternative</genre>
    <style>Alternative Pop/ Rock</style>
    <style>Alternative Metal</style>
    <style>Post-Grunge</style>
    <mood>Gloomy</mood>
    <mood>Confrontational</mood>
    <mood>Passionate</mood>
    <mood>Rousing</mood>
    <mood>Melancholy</mood>
    <mood>Cathartic</mood>
    <mood>Brooding</mood>
    <mood>Eerie</mood>
    <mood>Theatrical</mood>
    <mood>Campy</mood>
    <mood>Intense</mood>
    <mood>Somber</mood>
    <mood>Nihilistic</mood>
    <mood>Harsh</mood>
    <mood>Fiery</mood>
    <mood>Bleak</mood>
    <theme>The Creative Side</theme>
    <theme>Reflection</theme>
    <theme>Regret</theme>
    <review>When Tool frontman Maynard James Keenan covered Wings&apos; &quot;Silly Love Songs&quot; as a guest vocalist for the Replicants, it was amusing and well thought out. When Tool covered &quot;No Quarter&quot; in concert it was intense, appropriate, and staggeringly good. And when Maynard continued the tradition with the beautiful recording of Failure&apos;s &quot;The Nurse Who Loved Me,&quot; it became apparent that Maynard had a penchant for re-recording songs that were of high quality but not necessarily anthems. But then there&apos;s the notion of recording a whole album of covers, which immediately sends off red flags that the water may be running dry and the record label is thirsty for a new release. A Perfect Circle&apos;s album of covers, eMOTIVe, falls flat and fails to raise the bar set so high by the quality of their previous two releases. Turning some of popular music&apos;s most potent songs into a soundtrack ideal for background music at your local teen-angst mall-chain clothing store, A Perfect Circle work their way through 12 songs that would almost be unrecognizable in their current arrangement if one weren&apos;t familiar with the original versions of each song. John Lennon&apos;s somber, optimistic anthem for peace, &quot;Imagine,&quot; is changed from its original major key to a funereal minor key dirge. Marvin Gaye&apos;s perfect &quot;What&apos;s Going On&quot; is turned into a horrible industrial track that would be permissible on a budget-line compilation but is simply unforgivable in its inclusion here. The same could apply to the butchering of Black Flag&apos;s &quot;Gimmie Gimmie Gimmie&quot; and a few other numbers. However, the album&apos;s sole moment of tranquility and its most effective moments lie in the band&apos;s treatment of Led Zeppelin&apos;s &quot;When the Levee Breaks,&quot; and the disturbing a cappella of Joni Mitchell&apos;s &quot;Fiddle and the Drum.&quot; eMOTIVe is a slight dent in the armor of Maynard&apos;s nearly flawless career as a frontman, and it&apos;s (hopefully) a mere detour for A Perfect Circle.</review>
    <type>Explicit Lyrics</type>
    <releasedate></releasedate>
    <label>Virgin/EMI</label>
    <type>Explicit Lyrics</type>
    <thumbs>&lt;thumb&gt;http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drg500/g515/g51566kz54x.jpg&lt;/thumb&gt;&lt;thumb&gt;http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drg500/g515/g51566kz54x.jpg&lt;/thumb&gt;</thumbs>
    <path>K:\ALBEN\A Perfect Circle\Emotive\</path>
    <rating>3</rating>
    <year>2004</year>
    <track>
        <title>Annihilation</title>
        <position>1</position>
        <duration>02:13</duration>
    </track>
    <track>
        <title>Imagine</title>
        <position>2</position>
        <duration>04:48</duration>
    </track>
    <track>
        <title>(What&apos;s So Funny &apos;Bout) Peace, Love and Understanding?</title>
        <position>3</position>
        <duration>05:03</duration>
    </track>
    <track>
        <title>What&apos;s Going On</title>
        <position>4</position>
        <duration>04:53</duration>
    </track>
    <track>
        <title>Passive</title>
        <position>5</position>
        <duration>04:10</duration>
    </track>
    <track>
        <title>Gimmie Gimmie Gimmie</title>
        <position>6</position>
        <duration>02:18</duration>
    </track>
    <track>
        <title>People Are People</title>
        <position>7</position>
        <duration>03:43</duration>
    </track>
    <track>
        <title>Freedom of Choice</title>
        <position>8</position>
        <duration>02:59</duration>
    </track>
    <track>
        <title>Let&apos;s Have a War</title>
        <position>9</position>
        <duration>03:28</duration>
    </track>
    <track>
        <title>Counting Bodies Like Sheep to the Rhythm of the War Drums</title>
        <position>10</position>
        <duration>05:36</duration>
    </track>
    <track>
        <title>When the Levee Breaks</title>
        <position>11</position>
        <duration>05:55</duration>
    </track>
    <track>
        <title>Fiddle and the Drum</title>
        <position>12</position>
        <duration>03:06</duration>
    </track>
</album>
note the several mood entries instead of having <mood>Blah/Blubb/bleeeh/wibble..</mood>

alongside this we can have album art, artist picture, fanart for artists and also fanart for albums. see also xbmc wiki for a complete list of xml tags in artist.nfo and album.nfo.
filenames: pretty basic.
fanart: fanart.jpg (one in artist, one in album dir)
artist thumb: folder.jpg in artist dir
album thumb: folder.jpg in album dir or embedded cover in mp3 (+other media/codecs that support embedding of pictures into it?).

not to mention several modding attempts to enhance music library views more like flagging for labels (similar to studio tagging in video), codecs and genres. also enhancing appears as there are genre thumbs and genre fanarts available, too (though that is not directly related to the artists or the albums)

i'd say that big amount of additional possibilities to describe your music further and enhance the "wow" factor really needs a convenient gui to handle that data, especially when there is only minimal information being scraped from the given scrapers
cheers,azido :;):
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#29
There's a whole lot of talk about the FanArt and Thumbnails Naming-Standard and File-Structure Convention in an existing thread for anyone who is interested. From what I can tell, it's in the brainstorming stage right now:

http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=49801
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#30
rausch101 Wrote:There's a whole lot of talk about the FanArt and Thumbnails Naming-Standard and File-Structure Convention in an existing thread for anyone who is interested. From what I can tell, it's in the brainstorming stage right now:

http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=49801

as closer as i can get the point of the discussion you've mentioned here, as much i am questioning what it has to do with my topic?

as there isn't that much graphical intense on the music library as there already is on the video lib, we have to deal with basically 3 files: fanart, artist picture and album cover. that is not too much to handle as you would simply put a fanart.jpg and a folder.jpg (ok, it could also be called artist.jpg to be more descriptive) in the artist folder and another fanart.jpg in the album folder (if you like to have a different one there).

moreof, i'm talking about a way to handle what can be used in the nfo files which are already defined in an easy-understandable way.

so what was your intention to post that link here? maybe i don't understand because it's late and i'm tired..
cheers,azido :;):
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