Can you Still First-Time Jailbreak an ATV2 to < 4.3.1 without SHSH?

itsalltrash Wrote:@jd2157 from a Jailbreak standpoint, the iOS 4.3.1 exploit is the same used on the ATV2 4.2.1(2100). That is the only thing that I am getting at. So when you talk about jailbreaks, it's the 4.3.1 jailbreak, lumping in the ATV2 4.2.1(2100).

As to the right way to call it without causing confusion... good luck. I even got caught up with the version being off from the iOS build so I would rather go with official ATV2 versions, such as 4.2.1(2100).

The jailbreak is specific to the iOS version not the Apple TV software version. Apple TV software is just an application running on top of iOS. It's iOS itself that's being exploited so it'll run applications Apple hasn't approved.
So I'm not sure what you mean by "the iOS 4.3.1 exploit is the same used on the TV2 4.2.1(2100)" or "lumping in the ATV2 4.2.1(2100)".

I would rather Apple TV software versions weren't mentioned until they're relevant to the discussion. They're relevant when talking about fixes/features within the atv2 GUI but not when discussing jailbreaking. Ever notice how all the tutorials refer to the iOS version and not the Apple TV software version?

e.g. http://iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=14637

jd2157 Wrote:e.g. http://iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=14637

Funny you should mention that. If you go directly to the Seas0nPass website, and not to a repeat site, you will see that FireCore (the makers of Seas0nPass) call it 4.2.1(iOS4.3) and not by the apple build version.

http://support.firecore.com/entries/387605

I think that we are disputing a silly thing here. We both seem to have good intentions and information, let's try throwing that towards people who need it. For consistency sake, I will use both your preference and mine together: ATV2 4.2.1(2100) (iOS Build 8F202).

itsalltrash Wrote:Funny you should mention that. If you go directly to the Seas0nPass website, and not to a repeat site, you will see that FireCore (the makers of Seas0nPass) call it 4.2.1(iOS4.3) and not by the apple build version.

http://support.firecore.com/entries/387605

I think that we are disputing a silly thing here. We both seem to have good intentions and information, let's try throwing that towards people who need it. For consistency sake, I will use both your preference and mine together: ATV2 4.2.1(2100) (iOS Build 8F202).

Agreed we're getting into the weeds a bit here. I'm just advocating for some diligence in how we refer to the software pieces and their versions in hopes of eliminating/reducing a source of confusion for many. For instance, when you say "not by the apple build version" it's not clear if you mean the Apple TV software build version or the iOS build version.

Seas0npass has named both the Apple TV software version and the iOS version correctly so we should do the same. Personally I find it less confusing to refer to the iOS version in the context of jailbreaking since that's consistent with iPhones/iPods/iPads... mentioning the Apple TV software layer adds confusion... but to each his/her own.

For the sake of argument, I'd tweak your format a bit
ATV2 4.2.1(2100), iOS 4.3(8F202)

jd2157 Wrote:For the sake of argument, I'd tweak your format a bit
ATV2 4.2.1(2100), iOS 4.3(8F202)

I'll take it!

Just adding, bought new aTV2 for friend yesterday. it was prelaoded with IOS 4.3. Ran tiny umbrella, saved ssh blobs for ios 4.2.1. Custom restored it through Itunes and ran Greenpoison rc 6.1. All hunky dory no probs.