2014-04-19, 04:32
My motherboard manual?
2014-04-19, 04:42
(2014-04-17, 03:17)Solidify Wrote: I'll give it a couple days and see how it fairs. One week with a stock AMD cooler won't shave that much life off my CPU, will it?
I just want to think things through a bit more thoroughly before I buy instinctively like earlier, because now I'm stuck with a case that can't accommodate my storage drives like I had anticipated it would.
You don't need an aftermarket cooler. That's being wildly blown out of proportion.
And trust me, I love to talk about how stupid AMD has been over the last 6 years. There is no data to say that you NEED an aftermarket cooler with AMD processors. As much as I love to talk about how bad AMD has done int he CPU business, I don't like it when people spread FUD.
Edit:
Also your temps are HIGH. I'd check and first make sure your CPU cooler is mounted correctly. If you're removing the cooler you may want to also reapply the thermal paste. Some Artic Silver is cheap.
Second, I HIGHLY discourage anyone to use a small HTPC case with a ton of drives/wires. It disrupts airflow. Using a small case should mean you planned for it. That means picking parts with the lowest TDP/Powerdraw for the lowest amount of heat to disappate. So an AMD Trinity Richland isn't reallly a good choice. Unless there is a specific reason you got it, it's a terrible choice.
I haven't gone through the whole thread but this is one of those situations where you need to have a set plan before you go in and know what you're doing when it comes to getting rid of heat in a small case.
If you're getting decent temps in your BIOS (and bad temps in Speccy) I wouldn't worry about it. But if I was you I'd honestly just return everything and go with a build that you actually need. There are very few people that purchase an APU that wouldn't be better off with something completely different.
2014-04-19, 05:45
Quote:You don't need an aftermarket cooler. That's being wildly blown out of proportion.
I believe you. I've been monitoring my temps and everything is fine now. After watching TV for about 3 hours, the BIOS temps shows CPU at 30C and the motherboard at 37C (not sure if that's ok for the mb though).
I was only going to re-apply the termal paste if the temps didn't lower but when I realized the Speccy temps were innacuarte, that was no longer necessary.
Quote:Second, I HIGHLY discourage anyone to use a small HTPC case with a ton of drives/wires. It disrupts airflow. Using a small case should mean you planned for it. That means picking parts with the lowest TDP/Powerdraw for the lowest amount of heat to disappate. So an AMD Trinity Richland isn't reallly a good choice. Unless there is a specific reason you got it, it's a terrible choice.
Absolutely right. I should have planned better. However, minus the case, almost all the compoennts were suggested to me by another member. I don't know much about the compoennts themselves, I only know how to build.
The reason I got this case was because I had initially planned to put both 3.5" drives in there, with the micro-ATX board and the SSD. But that was way too tight (I probably could have managed). But the first day I assembled it with the 3.5" drives, I was basing myself on Speccy temps so I thought it was because there was too much stuff in the case that was the problem. Then I realized the readings weren't true. So now that I think of it, I could have probably kept the mechanical drives in there. But you're right,.. it's better not to have. I ended up putting them in my desktop PC and just sharing them over my LAN. It was much easier to manage my cables in the HTPC that way.
And yes, you're right about the Richland CPU being a power hog, but again, like I said, I trusted in a member to suggest me a build and this is what I was suggested. I don't want to come down on him or her because the build has been more than satifactory thus far (haven't had any problems besides misreading temps) so thus far, he was in the right. But Im sure like you say I could have gotten away with a less powerful CPU and a mini-ITX case.. I just really wanted to make sure I could play everything.
2014-04-19, 05:45
(2014-04-19, 04:32)Solidify Wrote: My motherboard manual?Believe it or not, your mobo do have manual. If it is not included in the box, you can download it from here- F2A85-M PRO.....
If you are not familiar with the bios of your mobo, I urge you to read it....
2014-04-19, 06:20
Lol thats not what i meant. I was just confirming. I know how to use mb manual and bios. Ill check the pages thanks
2014-04-19, 07:17
Didn't even have to get a "less powerful CPU". Just one made recently as Richland is old, and
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealD...bo.1594348 - 100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6820313426 - 50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6820178455 - 60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6817104080 - 56
Total, $266
Your PC isn't built for XBMC. It's built to be a PC to do regular PC tasks. If you're just browsing the internet and using XBMC you really don't need that.
This would keep your PC completely silent. You could go with an even more silent Powersupply actually. A straight up Power Brick with that system.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6817129006
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6817104186 (Can even go with a bigger one if you really want to. No real reason only if you're paranoid and believe that your PC parts will defy the laws of physics and somehow draw more power than they possibly can).
37 at LOAD which you'll rarely ever be at. But we'll consider load of course. That leaves you 23 watts left for extra parts. You have 1 more HDD and an SSD. That's easily fits under 23 watts (HDD/SSD is 10 watts maximum at load and that's extremely generous. It's usually lower like 4 idle 8 max).
In short, not every PC is build the same. I hate how badly AMD has done recently as every product release they have usually pisses me off. It's always been a waste of time to read because it could have just been summed up with "AMD over promised in every slide we have "leaked" to you over the last 3 months and we have promised you a chip constantly over these last 3 months that will be competitive and then sometimes have even found a way to make an even worse processor than the last generation (They actually did this I didn't know it was possible)."but given this low price segment, I'd definitely recommend it to someone. Whole point of an HTPC is to do small simple tasks while being quiet. The intel version of this wouldn't cost much more. You can also upgrade the processor to
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6819113364
Really the only reason to not go with the intel low power version is if you dont' want to spend like 15 more dollars which I think is just stupid not to when intel offers better performance and power metrics. But AMD did a good just with Kabini when it comes to using it for things like XBMC. As long as you aren't doing anything more than internet browsing and XBMC, you don't need much. It's when you want to start gaming and things then you need more. Or doing a ton of multi tasking.
To fix your problem though:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6819113364
I'd use ONLY 2 of these and that's it. It won't move that much air, but it'll be very quiet. I'd personally buy a third just incase I need it but that's just me. They're low airflow but low airflow is how you get low noise levels. If you had purchased the build from above though, you'd have the bigger 120 MM fan which moves more air and is quieter. You generally want one of those.
The guide build you picked was the worst combination you possibly could have picked which is unfortunate. Any other one would have been better. The first intel one (option #1) was the best and the cheapest. There are so many new options though since he has updated with Kabini, Baytrail, and other new processors that are out that it needs to be updated.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealD...bo.1594348 - 100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6820313426 - 50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6820178455 - 60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6817104080 - 56
Total, $266
Your PC isn't built for XBMC. It's built to be a PC to do regular PC tasks. If you're just browsing the internet and using XBMC you really don't need that.
This would keep your PC completely silent. You could go with an even more silent Powersupply actually. A straight up Power Brick with that system.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6817129006
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6817104186 (Can even go with a bigger one if you really want to. No real reason only if you're paranoid and believe that your PC parts will defy the laws of physics and somehow draw more power than they possibly can).
37 at LOAD which you'll rarely ever be at. But we'll consider load of course. That leaves you 23 watts left for extra parts. You have 1 more HDD and an SSD. That's easily fits under 23 watts (HDD/SSD is 10 watts maximum at load and that's extremely generous. It's usually lower like 4 idle 8 max).
In short, not every PC is build the same. I hate how badly AMD has done recently as every product release they have usually pisses me off. It's always been a waste of time to read because it could have just been summed up with "AMD over promised in every slide we have "leaked" to you over the last 3 months and we have promised you a chip constantly over these last 3 months that will be competitive and then sometimes have even found a way to make an even worse processor than the last generation (They actually did this I didn't know it was possible)."but given this low price segment, I'd definitely recommend it to someone. Whole point of an HTPC is to do small simple tasks while being quiet. The intel version of this wouldn't cost much more. You can also upgrade the processor to
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6819113364
Really the only reason to not go with the intel low power version is if you dont' want to spend like 15 more dollars which I think is just stupid not to when intel offers better performance and power metrics. But AMD did a good just with Kabini when it comes to using it for things like XBMC. As long as you aren't doing anything more than internet browsing and XBMC, you don't need much. It's when you want to start gaming and things then you need more. Or doing a ton of multi tasking.
To fix your problem though:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6819113364
I'd use ONLY 2 of these and that's it. It won't move that much air, but it'll be very quiet. I'd personally buy a third just incase I need it but that's just me. They're low airflow but low airflow is how you get low noise levels. If you had purchased the build from above though, you'd have the bigger 120 MM fan which moves more air and is quieter. You generally want one of those.
The guide build you picked was the worst combination you possibly could have picked which is unfortunate. Any other one would have been better. The first intel one (option #1) was the best and the cheapest. There are so many new options though since he has updated with Kabini, Baytrail, and other new processors that are out that it needs to be updated.
2014-04-19, 07:49
Bottom line: if you're happy with the PC so far then don't even worry about anything else... There's always going to be something you could/should have done differently and everyone will tell you something different... Unless you're unhappy about the PC of course.. Hope it's working out great for you!
2014-04-20, 03:26
Quote:http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealD...bo.1594348 - 100
Wouldn't have fit in my home theater stand.
Quote:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6820313426 - 50
I try to stick with G.Skill and Corsair RAM. Those are the brands I trust
Quote:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6820178455 - 60
120GB is more than I needed. I just needed enough to put Windows. Even 60GB now has some free space left.
Quote:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6817104080 - 56
Again, I only trust XFX or SeaSonic branded PSUs (some Antec models are good also).
Quote:You could go with an even more silent Powersupply actually. A straight up Power Brick with that system.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6817129006
That's interesting, I didn't know that existed.
Quote:Your PC isn't built for XBMC. It's built to be a PC to do regular PC tasks.
Are you implying it is stronger than it needs to be for what I intend to use it for? If so, I agree. When building it, I had a feeling this PC was a tad overkill for a HTPC because I had read articles about people making HTPCs from scrap computer parts, and here I was, buying pretty good components.
Quote:As long as you aren't doing anything more than internet browsing and XBMC, you don't need much. It's when you want to start gaming and things then you need more. Or doing a ton of multi tasking.
The PC will be only for XBMC. Nothing else.
Quote:To fix your problem though:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6819113364
You sent the wrong link here.
Quote:If you had purchased the build from above though, you'd have the bigger 120 MM fan which moves more air and is quieter.
I didn't think about that. Good point. Oh well, it's my first HTPc build. All my other builds were in regular mid- to full-tower cases so I'm not used to this. I'll know for next time.
Quote:The guide build you picked was the worst combination you possibly could have picked which is unfortunate. Any other one would have been better.
Again like I said, it was suggested to me.
2014-04-20, 06:02
How's this build?
http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=192675
I made some changes. http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Cher00/saved/4pZv
Could you please comment on this build?
CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI B85M-G43 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($74.24 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($68.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: PNY XLR8 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($60.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($56.98 @ OutletPC)
Case: Silverstone GD05B-USB3.0 (Black) HTPC Case ($97.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 450W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Pioneer BDR-209DBK Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($59.99 @ Micro Center)
Case Fan: Corsair Air Series SP120 Quiet Edition (2-Pack) 37.9 CFM 120mm Fans ($22.40 @ Newegg)
Total: $701.55
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-19 21:07 EDT-0400)
http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=192675
I made some changes. http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Cher00/saved/4pZv
Could you please comment on this build?
CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI B85M-G43 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($74.24 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($68.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: PNY XLR8 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($60.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($56.98 @ OutletPC)
Case: Silverstone GD05B-USB3.0 (Black) HTPC Case ($97.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 450W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Pioneer BDR-209DBK Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($59.99 @ Micro Center)
Case Fan: Corsair Air Series SP120 Quiet Edition (2-Pack) 37.9 CFM 120mm Fans ($22.40 @ Newegg)
Total: $701.55
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-19 21:07 EDT-0400)
2014-04-20, 06:28
Cher, if you're looking for help, please make your own thread. When you dont, it takes away from what I was asking, like just now.
2014-04-20, 07:08
Solidify,
I am sorry, I just saw the title "First HTPC" and posted my question here, hoping to get some feedback. My mistake, you guys continue with your discussion. Actually, I did make a thread and also reference it in my post here.
Thanks!
I am sorry, I just saw the title "First HTPC" and posted my question here, hoping to get some feedback. My mistake, you guys continue with your discussion. Actually, I did make a thread and also reference it in my post here.
Thanks!
2014-04-20, 15:12
Tential or noory, can you help me with my above post?
2014-04-20, 18:46
Did you leave it zipped? Also if it is once you select it are you able to use your mouse or click right to get to the ok button?
2014-04-20, 19:18
I tried installing it from the folder that was created by extracting the ZIP file. XBMC did not recognize that folder. So then I tried installing it directly from the ZIP file that was not extracted and XBMC detected the add-on and tried installing it. Then it gave me the "dependencies not met" error.
Yes, when I install using the ZIPPED folder, I can click OK and install. But it gives me the dependencies error.
Yes, when I install using the ZIPPED folder, I can click OK and install. But it gives me the dependencies error.
